China Flanker Thread II

[JayBird]

Okay, here is some information I look up on the annual Golden Helmet competition from 2011-2014.

2011: First annual National Golden Helmet competition: 10 Golden Helmets(13 pilots) was awarded out of 100 plus elite pilots. Half of them from the Chengdu military Region Air Force.

2012: Second annual National Golden Helmet competition: 11 out of 108 elite pilots awarded with golden helmets after 10 days. Chengdu Military Region Regiment commander Maj Jiang Jia Ji (J-10A pilot)became the first Golden Helmet ace that won in back to back years.

2013: Third annual National Golden Helmet competition: 7 military regions with 128 pilots participated and 9 Golden helmets was awarded. (There was one military region with 3 regiments winning all their team competitions. 9 pilots won 7 categories of Golden helmets out of 9. (Maybe this the year J-11B did well? but let's not forget the 3 regiments that won not necessarily all use J-11B. We still don't know what type of jets they were used)

2014: 4th National Golden Helmet competition: 7 military regions with 170 pilots participated for only 5 Golden Helmets.

Added new rules in 2014 is half of the pilots participating from the military regions have to be new and never participated before. So.... it's mainly young pilots in the 2014 competition. All figther jets are third generation including J-10A, J-11A, J-11B, SU-30MKK. (No J-10B) One Vs one and Two Vs Two. But the opponents at randomly choosing, it could be J-10A vs J-10A, J-10A Vs Su-30MKK or any combination. The pilots doing well in the team vs team competition would then be chosen to compete in the one vs one for the 5 golden hlelmets award in the last round.

To this date, there are 39 total golden helmet pilots in the whole air force. And 3 pilots won the award twice since 2011. Each year the Golden Helmet competition gets more difficult with more intensity and closer to real air combat. The scale of the competition also increasing annually each year.

 

[Franklin]

The Facts Don't Tell Stories: J-11D 1102 with Taihang Engines

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1101 is using Taihang also

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We saw the first flight of J-11D prototype 1101 just in late april and now 6 month later we already have a second prototype. You could say that J-11D is a J-11B with most of the J-16 subsystems. Hope to see production soon. Perhabs in 2018 if not 2017.

 

[GreenestGDP]

Okay, first of all, GreenestGDP, your posts are immensely hard to follow.

Your premises and questions are not full sentences, and there are massive paragraph breaks, and it takes a bit of effort to understand what you're saying, with all the bolded words, question marks and other random symbols everywhere. I'd appreciate it if you formatted your replies more coherently.... ....

Well, thank you so much for your honest feedback on my English skill.
I am totally aware that my English skill is still quite below standard.
Although, I have been trying very hard to improve it.

In fact, plenty of times, I have spent more than 3 hour per post,
researching the links, and checking the comprehensive Dictionary and Thesaurus,
in order to be certain that all my postings are :

1) easy to read ( by placing adequate of spacing between paragraphs
+ bolding the keywords ),
2) they are easy to understand,
3) they are logical.

After all that activities above, I just realize my posts are still difficult to understand.
If any other members feel the same way, then please feel free to express your honest feedback as well.
I will use your honest feedback to further motivate myself
to improve my English skill to the next level.

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Here is my basic underlying thinking and logic ... ...
IMHO, ...

1) J-10A is a fantastic super nimble dogfighter, judging on performances on countless video over all these years, J-10A can climb, roll, rotate, twist, and turn much smoother and faster than many other u--know--who 4th generation fighters.
It is widely known that J-10A is PLAAF perennial dogfighter national champion before the 2nd Golden Helmet competition in year 2012.

2) ChengDu J-10B is a major significant upgrade on J-10A.
It is easy to think that ChengDu J-10B will further amplify and multiply the
J-10A performance to the next higher level.
Thus, J-10B is suppose to be awesomely fantastic super nimble dogfighter.


3) In the past, ShenYang J-11A can NOT compete with ChengDu J-10A within
the boundary of 1 on 1 dogfighting Free--style combat.
Now since J-11B enter the fray, the situation has turned around 180 degree.

Now, J-11B is the new PLAAF perennial dogfighter national champion
within the boundary of 1 on 1 dogfighting Free--style combat for 3 years in a row.
The Golden Helmet winning pilot could be different, but the
fighter type is the same. They could be J-11B or J-11BS.

The pilot Yang has attained the highest dogfighting performance rating
in the PLA National Golden Helmet championship.

How do I know this ?

The CCTV reporter said so. Please start watching on Elapsed Time = 00:47
Please cross check on Elapsed Time = 01:48 ... ...
--- if the pilot Yang also mentioned the concept < Wu Yu Li Chao Zhong >.

I have watched the video below more than 6 times, just to be sure
I did not misunderstood its content.
The answer is in the video link below ... ...

Therefore, I think the basic Sukhoi Su-27 airframe still has plenty of
untapped upside potential.
I wish there are Global Free--style Dog Fighting championship.
Applying < CANEI > Continuous and Never Ending Improvements,
ShenYang can continuously modify the Su-27 to become
the Best Dog Fighter aircraft on Earth.

Can anyone explain what is the meaning of
< Wu Yu Li Chao Zhong > concept above ??

 

[Blitzo]

Well, thank you so much for your honest feedback on my English skill.
I am totally aware that my English skill is still quite below standard.
Although, I have been trying very hard to improve it.

In fact, plenty of times, I have spent more than 3 hour per post,
researching the links, and checking the comprehensive Dictionary and Thesaurus,
in order to be certain that all my postings are :

1) easy to read ( by placing adequate of spacing between paragraphs
+ bolding the keywords ),
2) they are easy to understand,
3) they are logical.

After all that activities above, I just realize my posts are still difficult to understand.
If any other members feel the same way, then please feel free to express your honest feedback as well.
I will use your honest feedback to further motivate myself
to improve my English skill to the next level.

I appreciate that, although it is often the formatting of your posts which makes things a little more difficult as well

Here is my basic underlying thinking and logic ... ...
IMHO, ...

1) J-10A is a fantastic super nimble dogfighter, judging on performances on countless video over all these years, J-10A can climb, roll, rotate, twist, and turn much smoother and faster than many other u--know--who 4th generation fighters.
It is widely known that J-10A is PLAAF perennial dogfighter national champion before the 2nd Golden Helmet competition in year 2012.

2) ChengDu J-10B is a major significant upgrade on J-10A.
It is easy to think that ChengDu J-10B will further amplify and multiply the
J-10A performance to the next higher level.
Thus, J-10B is suppose to be awesomely fantastic super nimble dogfighter.


3) In the past, ShenYang J-11A can NOT compete with ChengDu J-10A within
the boundary of 1 on 1 dogfighting Free--style combat.
Now since J-11B enter the fray, the situation has turned around 180 degree.

Now, J-11B is the new PLAAF perennial dogfighter national champion
within the boundary of 1 on 1 dogfighting Free--style combat for 3 years in a row.
The Golden Helmet winning pilot could be different, but the
fighter type is the same. They could be J-11B or J-11BS.

The pilot Yang has attained the highest dogfighting performance rating
in the PLA National Golden Helmet championship.

Okay, I'm going to address some of your assumptions.

First of all, there has been nothing to suggest that "J-11B is the new dogfighter national champion" -- pilots in J-11Bs have won a number of golden helmets in the last few years, but other fighter types have also won golden helmets.
Second of all, we also do not know the exact rules of engagement of the circumstances of combat, that is to say, whether many wins were conducted at within visual range or beyond visual range, and where each aircraft may or may not have had a particular advantages.
Third of all, we cannot use transient short term results to try and ascertain the fundamental capabilities of the respective aircraft. For instance, it is possible that the new J-11B regiments which participated received better training for their aircraft and the others did not.
Fourth of all, I want to re emphasize J-10B still has nothing to do with the previous golden helmet competitions because it has not participated in any of the competitions to our knowledge, as it has only recently entered service.

So overall, the best thing we can say is that the J-11B has performed very well at the golden helmet competitions, but beyond that we cannot make any truly confident assertions.

 

[sequ]

It looks like the PLAAF still issues their flanker pilots with half G-suits like the Russians. Apparently, this increases the 'macho' of a fighter pilot.

 

[Blitzo]

It looks like the PLAAF still issues their flanker pilots with half G-suits like the Russians. Apparently, this increases the 'macho' of a fighter pilot.

What are you talking about? No one's mentioned G suits at all, so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up? Is there a picture or a video you're referencing?
And being poorly equipped has nothing to do with "macho"... it's got to do with availability.
As for "half" g suits -- most standard G suits only cover the lower half of the body anyway. Some designs include a full body cover instead of only covering the thighs and legs, but those are not very common.
Are you talking about multirole upper body survival vests?

 

[Air Force Brat]

It looks like the PLAAF still issues their flanker pilots with half G-suits like the Russians. Apparently, this increases the 'macho' of a fighter pilot.

It looks like the PLAAF still issues their flanker pilots with half G-suits like the Russians. Apparently, this increases the 'macho' of a fighter pilot.

Nah?? where did you come up with such an idea?? most G suits are just pants these days, and they are quite effective at keep the blood from pooling in your lower extremities, they serve very well. As far as I know only Raptor drivers wear pressure vests, but then the Raptor is an "alien bird", nothing else on the planet is gonna hang wit da big bird??? but then only "supermen" need apply?? that bird is a butt kicker to fly???

I would venture that the Raptor has the strongest airframe on the planet??? just guessing, but it is very robust.

 

[Air Force Brat]

Nah?? where did you come up with such an idea?? most G suits are just pants these days, and they are quite effective at keep the blood from pooling in your lower extremities, they serve very well. As far as I know only Raptor drivers wear pressure vests, but then the Raptor is an "alien bird", nothing else on the planet is gonna hang wit da big bird??? but then only "supermen" need apply?? that bird is a butt kicker to fly???

I would venture that the Raptor has the strongest airframe on the planet??? just guessing, but it is very robust.

Flankers also have a very robust airframe, I don't know of any major issues with Flankers in General, but with the T-50 as with the F-35 there is a great emphasis on saving weight, and with that often comes these annoying post design fixes???

 

[JayBird]

Few closeup pics from PLA Daily.

 

[by78]

One more. Not a large once but nice nonetheless (notice the PL-12s).