China Flanker Thread II
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found at CDF via =GT :china:
Very interesting, esp. as I can't find that picture any more over there at Airliners.net - maybe someone can help me out - but neither the key-words "J-11" (or any additional model) nor "Marcus Chen" was succesful.
Deino
Very interesting, esp. as I can't find that picture any more over there at Airliners.net - maybe someone can help me out - but neither the key-words "J-11" (or any additional model) nor "Marcus Chen" was succesful.
Deino
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WS-10A reliability issue doesn't explain why the J-11BS prototype uses them. Must be something else, like maintenance needed (which would take a while for the PLAAF to restructure its logistic and support tail to deal with that).
I think the problem is in mass production, they have a problem with producing a large quantity of WS-10As. So, singularly produced ones may not be that bad.
hi, dear commrads!
i am a ex-pakarmy, i would like if some you guys , can send me full details of J-11bs details, with J-10bs details, as you know i cam from defence pk fourm, i am in an argument with my mates that even, J-10bs is a solid fighter, but still J-11bs are equaly important birds.
we need both of them , so plz help me out!
well , i feel very hounrd in posting at your pleasent fourm!
with high hopes, i certianly see china & my chinese brothers , as same line of defence against captalist forces, who want to harm both of our brotherly nations, let me remind you that people of pakistan , loves china with the bottom of thier heart,
thanks
i am sory , i f i had written something emotionly!
ff
but its the voice of my heart, so plz ignore it.
with real love from pakistan, long live china & chinese peoples, long live CHAIRMAN MAO!:china:
BEST OF LUCK!
i am a ex-pakarmy, i would like if some you guys , can send me full details of J-11bs details, with J-10bs details, as you know i cam from defence pk fourm, i am in an argument with my mates that even, J-10bs is a solid fighter, but still J-11bs are equaly important birds.
we need both of them , so plz help me out!
well , i feel very hounrd in posting at your pleasent fourm!
with high hopes, i certianly see china & my chinese brothers , as same line of defence against captalist forces, who want to harm both of our brotherly nations, let me remind you that people of pakistan , loves china with the bottom of thier heart,
thanks
i am sory , i f i had written something emotionly!
ffbut its the voice of my heart, so plz ignore it.
with real love from pakistan, long live china & chinese peoples, long live CHAIRMAN MAO!:china:
BEST OF LUCK!
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I'm sorry, but I don't see how mass production would create new problems. We're only talking about seventy two units maximum and I'm sure they can produce plenty of spares (assuming that that financial report from one of the suppliers is correct).
Mass production is perhaps a little "theatrical" when it comes to turbofan engines. Keep in mind the assembly of which requires over 10,000 bits and pieces and added to that each items must be the very best, which brings us to quality control. Quality control does not mean some guy sitting besides a conveyor belt watching quacking ducks roll by and whenever a little duck does not "go quack quack" he picks it up and throws it into the garbage container placed besides him. It means what Hewitt Packer (the texas computer maker) striven for: that is "STOP THE PRODUCTION LINE" and go see WHY that duck failed to go quack quack. maybe it was the battery or maybe a poorly soldered chip piece. If the battery then that manufacturer has to be notified and the same deligent investigation conducted forthwith, if it was poor soldering then find out why, that is to say maybe the worker was smoking too much good stuff or maybe working too long hours and was just too tired to do his job properly, then solutions must be implemented. maybe(shorter work time, more holidays, more pay)
The fact that perhaps the battery was found as the cause of failure is only part of quality control, the paperwork identifying the source of that battery must be in place (big companies such as Boeing have dozens of battery suppliers from all over the world) Not only must the supplier be identified but even the production line, time, date, personnel in charge of that shift be clearly marked and TRACEABLE. Traceablity is essential for obvious reasons, in the least it encourages responsibility. I know you snigger and think what's so important about all this? " It's just a little battery or just a little cotter-pin, so what if it don't work, somebody else would fix it... but its exactly that attitude that cause that huge BC ferry is slam into that luxurious mariner a few years back. The cause was traced to a dollar cotter-pin connecting the steering wheel together ( I suppose a strong argument could be made regarding poor quality control in the engineering department regarding the reliance of the ships directional control impinging on just that one cotter-pin.
The fact that perhaps the battery was found as the cause of failure is only part of quality control, the paperwork identifying the source of that battery must be in place (big companies such as Boeing have dozens of battery suppliers from all over the world) Not only must the supplier be identified but even the production line, time, date, personnel in charge of that shift be clearly marked and TRACEABLE. Traceablity is essential for obvious reasons, in the least it encourages responsibility. I know you snigger and think what's so important about all this? " It's just a little battery or just a little cotter-pin, so what if it don't work, somebody else would fix it... but its exactly that attitude that cause that huge BC ferry is slam into that luxurious mariner a few years back. The cause was traced to a dollar cotter-pin connecting the steering wheel together ( I suppose a strong argument could be made regarding poor quality control in the engineering department regarding the reliance of the ships directional control impinging on just that one cotter-pin.
I assume u never work in a production line before. Mass production is critical in bringing down the cost and make unit price competitive and profitable.
U may have perfect sample produce through the R&D effort but when comes to mass producing it. Plenty of problems will arise. That is where process engineer will come in to solve all the line production problems and ensure the quality of every unit produce are according to the standard.
flyboy2008
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How many engines get manufactured each year? Maybe 100? If so, what does this have to do with Mass production? 100 units is not a large amount.
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