China Flanker Thread II

[Roger604]

J-15 appears to be just an adapted J-11B. It should be more properly compared to J-10B, also in prototype stage (though it's advancing rapidly).

It looks like PLAAF has one squadron of J-11B only (converted in 2007), which suggests that when J-11B truly enters mass production / deployment (soon, now that WS-10A is now considered reliable enough for mass production) it will be designed to share many components with J-15.

 

[tphuang]

Its time to start a new thread for J-15, the naval flanker.

Huitong (as we all know, a consistently reliable source) has added a brand new section.

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we will add it if we feel it's needed, after all, it's still just a flanker.
We haven't even got any photos of it yet.
We certainly didn't start a new section for J-10B.

cnair recently updated their J-15 section

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Here's a couple of pics of the model of the plane

[qimg]http://p13.freep.cn/p.aspx?u=v20_p13_p_0909042200182837_0.jpg[/qimg]

[qimg]http://p13.freep.cn/p.aspx?u=v20_p13_p_0909042200191708_0.jpg[/qimg]

you just posted a couple of pictures of childish models. Does the shark teeth not tell you it's a total joke?

 

[Roger604]

The CAD drawing of the J-15 on Huitong's site is interesting. Are the wings on the J-15 narrower than on other flankers? Or is it just the angle that makes it appear that way?

 

[maxx]

you just posted a couple of pictures of childish models. Does the shark teeth not tell you it's a total joke?

Perhaps. However cnair calls it "flying shark" and the person from forum I got the pics from called it "black shark". Yeah, I know this doesn't mean anything but time will tell. Maybe I'll learn that some sources aren't to be trusted.

The CAD drawing of the J-15 on Huitong's site is interesting. Are the wings on the J-15 narrower than on other flankers? Or is it just the angle that makes it appear that way?

The right side is missing the moving parts ie aileron, rudder...

 

[FriedRiceNSpice]

If Shenyang's 5th generation design ever actually makes it past the drawing boards, I'm sure it will be, "based on the J-11B/Su-37 and initially powered by AL-31/AL-41 engines."

 

[Wolverine]

If Shenyang's 5th generation design ever actually makes it past the drawing boards, I'm sure it will be, "based on the J-11B/Su-37 and initially powered by AL-31/AL-41 engines."

How could anything based on the J-11B be a 5th generation fighter? There are only so many things that can be done to fix the RCS of that design, and I'm sure all the low-hanging fruit has been picked in that regard in the J-11B when they modded it from the Su-27. The limits of this old design should be reached by a 4.5 generation iteration.

 

[Troika]

How could anything based on the J-11B be a 5th generation fighter? There are only so many things that can be done to fix the RCS of that design, and I'm sure all the low-hanging fruit has been picked in that regard in the J-11B when they modded it from the Su-27. The limits of this old design should be reached by a 4.5 generation iteration.

Not quite, there are some more improvements that can be made - quite a few, actually, an active EW suite, AESA radar, better engines. The limit's still 4.5, though, like the Su-35.

But anyway, I think you missed the point, which was satirising the ineptitude of Shenyang.

 

[Semi-Lobster]

How could anything based on the J-11B be a 5th generation fighter? There are only so many things that can be done to fix the RCS of that design, and I'm sure all the low-hanging fruit has been picked in that regard in the J-11B when they modded it from the Su-27. The limits of this old design should be reached by a 4.5 generation iteration.

I think he was making a joke about Shenyang's lack of 'diversity' in their aircraft if you know what I mean. :nana:

 

[Semi-Lobster]

Oddly enough, we are back to where we started. At first it was believed that the naval fighter would be based off the J-11B, then rumors circulated that it would be a semi-stealth design. Now it's back to J-11B

I think what we have hear is a better understanding of the 'race' for a navalised carrier-based fighter aircraft between Shenyang and Chengdu and we now finally have a line drawn into the sand, Shenyang on one side with an Su-27/Su-33 based Flanker variant that, from what we understand, would be simpler design and built vs. Chengdu with a newly designed fighter of unknown (but assumingly stealthier) capabilities that is designed from scratch and like the earlier J-8II vs. J-9 competition between the two, its certainly winner takes all as I highly doubt the PLANAF would be interested in supported to very different aircraft for the same role.

 

[HKSDU]

Re: First Chinese carrier based jet fighter flew on 31 Aug 2009

What do the experts here think the odds are of China flying their fancy new J-15 in front of awestruck crowds on October 1st? High...Low?

Non-existant, I'll be shocked just to see the J-10B make an appearance.

How could anything based on the J-11B be a 5th generation fighter? There are only so many things that can be done to fix the RCS of that design, and I'm sure all the low-hanging fruit has been picked in that regard in the J-11B when they modded it from the Su-27. The limits of this old design should be reached by a 4.5 generation iteration.

F-22 and F-15E, they both share common overall structural layout and apperances.