China Flanker Thread II

[Hyperwarp]

Well, I couldn't tell exactly, but it looks to be new photos of J-11BS. I'd have to go through my collection to see if this is J-11B or BS. But seems like it's the latter.

If you think about it, J-10B and J-11BS pictures came out at around the same time, but I'm getting so many new photos of J-10B that I don't even bother posting most of them. J-11BS on the other hand is rarely seen. This could be the first flying photos of it that I saw. The way SAC is going, I wouldn't be surprised if J-10BS (even though it doesn't exist yet, it probably will) joining service ahead of J-11BS

I think these are the early J-11B prototype at an airshow short while ago. J-10, J-11B, JH-7 did an aerial display recently....

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[Roger604]

If you think about it, J-10B and J-11BS pictures came out at around the same time, but I'm getting so many new photos of J-10B that I don't even bother posting most of them. J-11BS on the other hand is rarely seen. This could be the first flying photos of it that I saw. The way SAC is going, I wouldn't be surprised if J-10BS (even though it doesn't exist yet, it probably will) joining service ahead of J-11BS

So did PLAAF completely give up on J-11B?

Maybe after WS-10A's initial failure in 2007, PLAAF just told SAC to modify and upgrade J-11 to something more suitable for an attack role since J-10 is enough for the air superiority role. Then you wouldn't need J-11B, just J-11BS.

 

[Engineer]

So did PLAAF completely give up on J-11B?

From what I've heard, PLAAF is fed up with both SAC and Liming.

 

[tphuang]

I think these are the early J-11B prototype at an airshow short while ago. J-10, J-11B, JH-7 did an aerial display recently....

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you can't really see the canopy well from these angles. It could easily be J-11B, but if those pics are taken recently, then it doesn't make sense for J-11B to still be in CFTE.

So did PLAAF completely give up on J-11B?

Maybe after WS-10A's initial failure in 2007, PLAAF just told SAC to modify and upgrade J-11 to something more suitable for an attack role since J-10 is enough for the air superiority role. Then you wouldn't need J-11B, just J-11BS.

don't know, I don't think they have. J-11B series is just more expensive and has lower production rate. I think PLAAF still hasn't given up.

 

[Totoro]

There hasnt been any news of new squadrons being equipped with j11b in a while. Does that mean production has ceased, or has been paused or something else? Is there any info concerning new squadrons of j11b standing up during 2009?

 

[SteelBird]

I think the most critical problem for J-11B is its engines. Once China resolved this problem, J-11B (and BS) will come out.

 

[tphuang]

actually, just saw some new pics of J-11B that looks like the ones I just posted. It probably is a J-11B.

honestly, I think J-11B is probably used just to give SAC some experience in producing all of their own systems for future flankers. If you consider how many naval fighters and strike fighters PLA needs and the production rate of SAC, they'd have to work around the clock to produce the necessary units.

if PLA gets 3 carriers and they need 30 flankers per carrier. That would be at least 4 regiments or 96 naval flankers. Let's just say the air force wants at least 4 regiments of J-11B or BS, that would be another 96. So, they would need 192 in the coming decade, which would mean 19 a year for the next 10 years (which is about SAC's capability at this point, sadly speaking).

also, this probably means J-11BS is not replacing JH-7A anytime soon.

 

[maya]

you can't really see the canopy well from these angles. It could easily be J-11B, but if those pics are taken recently, then it doesn't make sense for J-11B to still be in CFTE.

it's a J-11B prototype(No.524) belonging to CFTE.

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[maya]

I don't know what's going on with the J-11B. If it were very successful I think we would see more pics of it. Seems like they are trying to hide it.

they are waiting for FWS10...

 

[tphuang]

they are waiting for FWS10...

We've been wondering here. Are the problems with Taihang more due to the original design or due to Liming's production/assembly process?

Are you saying that you do not believe that the J-11B will be mass produced beyond their current numbers?

well, it looks like they are not capable right now of producing 1 new J-11 regiment a year and I don't think engine is the only limiting factor.

I'm actually less pessimistic toward SAC's production than before. They did pretty well in getting the contracts for Cessna 162, fuselage for the C-series and a large section of Q-400 + works for Boeing/airbus.