China Flanker Thread II

[rhino123]

Rear Admiral Yin Zhuo claims the Flying Shark has better air performance but inferior attack capabilities when compared to F/A-18E.

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Recently, many keen military observers have noted that the J-15 shown on CCTV news is coated in a sea-grey paint finish, and carries the navy flag under the rear part of the cabin.There is speculation that this may be the model released for mass production. Yin Zhuo also said that the air combat capabilities of the J-15 carrier-based aircraft were better than those of the main U.S. carrier-based aircraft, the F/A-18 "Super Hornet".

The J-15 has integrated the technology of the J-11B with carrier-based features such as canard, folding wings, and tailhook. Its undercarriage has high strength, and the front wheel is suitable for catapult launch similar to the carrier-based fighter of the U.S. navy.The catapult launch was taken into consideration at the beginning of its design.

According to media reports, the J-15 is the first generation Chinese carrier-based fighter with outstanding capabilities in attack and defense, excellent maneuverability, and strong capability to attack targets on land or sea. It is able to seek out and destroy large mobile enemy targets on sea. The J-15 fighter is equipped with 30mm machine guns, and is able to carry a supersonic anti-ship missile, the YJ-62 long-range anti-ship missile, the PL-8/9 short-range air-to-air missile, the PL-12 active radar homing long-range air-to-air missile,and the "Thunder Stone" series of gliding guided bombs.

According to the analysis of military experts, since the J-15 is newly-developed, its electronic equipment is very likely to be one generation ahead of the J-11, and is definitely far superior to the Su-33, which is equipped with lagging inverse Cassegrain antenna. It is very likely that the J-15 carries electronic equipment that meets the standards of a fifth generation fighter, and reaches the level of the U.S. F/A-18E/F in this respect.

In terms of its performance compared to other carrier-based aircraft in service around the world, Yin Zhuo said that the J-15 capabilities are high. For instance, it reaches a similar level to the U.S. F/A-18C/D "Super Hornet". While overall it is slightly inferior to the F/A-18E/F, it has better performance in air combat. Its ability to attack land and sea-based targets is lower than the F/A-18E/F, but it is at least equal to, and perhaps slightly better than, India's Mig-29K.

Not to discount rear Admiral Yin Zhuo's words or his credibility, but I am very interested to know what is the variable he took when compared the US Super Hornet with the J-15 and under what circumstances.

 

[Deino]

Not sure, but since images of Chinese Flankers loaded with Air-to-Ground weapons are already rare I'm even more surprised to the a J-15 leaded with bombs and a YJ-83 ASM !??

Deino

 

[asif iqbal]

Not sure, but since images of Chinese Flankers loaded with Air-to-Ground weapons are already rare I'm even more surprised to the a J-15 leaded with bombs and a YJ-83 ASM !??

Deino

just another indiction that China likes to downplay its capabilitys, clearly J-15 is multi-role and can do this role from ski jump

this comes after it was reported that from ski jump J-15 can only do air-to-air which i personally highly doubt!

 

[Skywatcher]

Not to discount rear Admiral Yin Zhuo's words or his credibility, but I am very interested to know what is the variable he took when compared the US Super Hornet with the J-15 and under what circumstances.

Well, the J-15 has a bigger radar and apparently more maneuverability.

 

[Franklin]

Not sure, but since images of Chinese Flankers loaded with Air-to-Ground weapons are already rare I'm even more surprised to the a J-15 leaded with bombs and a YJ-83 ASM !??

Deino

Is there any possibility to find the video of those screen shots ? There was never doubt that the J-15 is multi-role and is able to carry and fire ground attack and anti-ship weapons. But it is always said that the J-15 can't take off with anti-ship or ground attack weapons because of the limitations of the ski jump. But those pictures seems to show otherwise. A YJ-83 missile only weighs about 850 to 1200kg so i suppose it wouldn't make that big of a dent in a plane who's max take of weight is 33000kg.

 

[Air Force Brat]

Not to discount rear Admiral Yin Zhuo's words or his credibility, but I am very interested to know what is the variable he took when compared the US Super Hornet with the J-15 and under what circumstances.

Actually Rhino, I believe I would use the phrase what "standard" did he use, and the standard he used was general fighter-pilot shop talk, the J-15 is a Flanker, with canards and no OVT, the Admiral is "guestimating" that their Flanker with canards has a greater rate of pitch transition and sufficient thrust to sustain that greater rate in a turn than the Super Hornet, which may have a slightly lower thrust to weight ratio. The cat and trap system is able to shoot a fully armed Super Hornet off the deck with "no sweat", the J-15 will not leave the ramp with a full combat load and fly away, with "no sweat", in fact you might be swimming. That my friend is the simple basis for the Admirals comments. brat

 

[Deino]

Is there any possibility to find the video of those screen shots ? ...

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Deino

thanks !

How recent is that video and is the Liaoning at sea right now ?

 

[tphuang]

Not sure, but since images of Chinese Flankers loaded with Air-to-Ground weapons are already rare I'm even more surprised to the a J-15 leaded with bombs and a YJ-83 ASM !??

Deino

i'm not as surprised. J-15 was designed right from the start to handle more A2G and ASuW capabilities than prevous Chinese flankers. Whereas J-11B is built for the role of Air superiority and J-16 for fighter bomber in PLAAF, J-15 have to really fill both roles.

 

[Jeff Head]

Actually Rhino, I believe I would use the phrase what "standard" did he use, and the standard he used was general fighter-pilot shop talk, the J-15 is a Flanker, with canards and no OVT, the Admiral is "guestimating" that their Flanker with canards has a greater rate of pitch transition and sufficient thrust to sustain that greater rate in a turn than the Super Hornet, which may have a slightly lower thrust to weight ratio. The cat and trap system is able to shoot a fully armed Super Hornet off the deck with "no sweat", the J-15 will not leave the ramp with a full combat load and fly away, with "no sweat", in fact you might be swimming. That my friend is the simple basis for the Admirals comments. brat

I saw other comments from the Admiral or designer stating that the J-15 would exceed the air to surface, anti-shipping capability of the F-35 and that the US principle anti-surface Aircraft would remain the Super Hornet until the 2040 time frame.

1st, in the late 2020s, the F-35C will be equally numerous to the Super hornets on U.S. carriers in the strike/attack role..

2nd, the F-35C is designed for war at sea scenarios and will be perfectly capable of running ant-surface missions against any opposition vessel, including their carriers. The Joint Strike Missile (JSM) is specifically designed for the F-35, which will be able to carry two in its weapons bays, along with up to 4 AMRAAMs. 2-4 more JSMs can be carried on pylons if necessary.

Specs for the JSM?

Range: 280 km
Warhead: 125 kg
Speed: High subsonic
Profile: Sea skimming, with random terminal maneuvering
Targeting: Infrared, GPS, Inertial Guidance, Terrain/Image recognition, capable of target discrimination
Communication: Two-way ship to weapon, weapon to ship, weapon to weapon. Retargeting, BDA, etc.

These will be very effective, network centric, or independent weapons.

Now, the recent photos and videos of the J-15 taking off and landing with two ASMs and two AAW missiles are impressive and shows that the PLAN is now conducting load out qualms. Two ASMs and two AAWs is a decent layout for STOBAR.