China Flanker Thread II

[hardware]

Chinese press claim that J-15 is at par with super hornet F-18C,which I doubt.let see F-18C got APG-79 AESA, GE F414 engine capable of supercruise,wide variety of guided AA/AG weapon.advance data link/satcom and other sensor.
likely that J-15 may have AESA radar and WS-10H probably can supercruise flight.

 

[SinoSoldier]

¦^��: Re: China Flanker Thread II

Chinese press claim that J-15 is at par with super hornet F-18C,which I doubt.let see F-18C got APG-79 AESA, GE F414 engine capable of supercruise,wide variety of guided AA/AG weapon.advance data link/satcom and other sensor.
likely that J-15 may have AESA radar and WS-10H probably can supercruise flight.

Huh? Both Chinese unofficial reports and test pilots claim that it should match the F/A-18E in performance.

 

[luhai]

Chinese press claim that J-15 is at par with super hornet F-18C,which I doubt.let see F-18C got APG-79 AESA, GE F414 engine capable of supercruise,wide variety of guided AA/AG weapon.advance data link/satcom and other sensor.
likely that J-15 may have AESA radar and WS-10H probably can supercruise flight.

F-18C.... That bird was from 1989. What you decribed was F-18E/F, even then it can't supercruise. GE F414 Equipt Saab Gripen can supercruise, but that's lighter bird just one demonstrator bird at that.

 

[hardware]

J-11B - An indigenised multirole fighter using a Flanker type airframe and advanced Chinese avionics, weaponry and technologies, reduced RCS, MAWS, IRST, and composites to lighten the airframe weight by 700 kg.[6][7][24][25] It has been said that the J-11B is over 90% indigenous.[26] It has been reported that more than 2 regiments of J-11B are currently in service. In May 2007, the existence of J-11B was confirmed by the Chinese government for the first time when state-run Chinese TV stations aired a report on the J-11B in PLAAF service. It has been claimed that the J-11B is planned to incorporate an AESA radar.[27] China has developed another new airborne AESA radar which can track a 1 m2 target at 450 km, a 0.4 m2 target at 280 km, and a 0.1 m2 target at 250 km, which is likely to be used on the J-11B, J-15, and J-16
from Wikipedia.

 

[SinoSoldier]

J-11B - An indigenised multirole fighter using a Flanker type airframe and advanced Chinese avionics, weaponry and technologies, reduced RCS, MAWS, IRST, and composites to lighten the airframe weight by 700 kg.[6][7][24][25] It has been said that the J-11B is over 90% indigenous.[26] It has been reported that more than 2 regiments of J-11B are currently in service. In May 2007, the existence of J-11B was confirmed by the Chinese government for the first time when state-run Chinese TV stations aired a report on the J-11B in PLAAF service. It has been claimed that the J-11B is planned to incorporate an AESA radar.[27] China has developed another new airborne AESA radar which can track a 1 m2 target at 450 km, a 0.4 m2 target at 280 km, and a 0.1 m2 target at 250 km, which is likely to be used on the J-11B, J-15, and J-16
from Wikipedia.

The J-11B is a fighter that uses a Su-27SK fuselage and Chinese modern subsystems. Some might have been upgraded with an AESA radar. It features composites which saves 700 kg of mass, new engines, a known optical MAWS system, new cockpit, and a digital quadruplex fly by wire system.

Combat capability should approach that of the F-15SG.

 

[plawolf]

The J-11B is a fighter that uses a Su-27SK fuselage and Chinese modern subsystems. Some might have been upgraded with an AESA radar. It features composites which saves 700 kg of mass, new engines, a known optical MAWS system, new cockpit, and a digital quadruplex fly by wire system.

Combat capability should approach that of the F-15SG.

The F15SG is based on the F15E strike eagle and is also strike oriented. The J11B is air superiority oriented. The two types might approach each other in terms of technology, but capacity wise, both would have distinct advantages over the other because of their very different designed roles.

 

[siegecrossbow]

The F15SG is based on the F15E strike eagle and is also strike oriented. The J11B is air superiority oriented. The two types might approach each other in terms of technology, but capacity wise, both would have distinct advantages over the other because of their very different designed roles.

I was under the impression that although both F-15SK and F-15SG were based upon the F-15E airframe, they were designed with airsuperiority in mind since they are the mainstay fighters for their respective nations. Other aircraft that entered the South Korean competition were the Su-35 and Eurofighter Typhoon. I think this is indicative of what South Korea was looking for.

 

[Blitzo]

I was under the impression that although both F-15SK and F-15SG were based upon the F-15E airframe, they were designed with airsuperiority in mind since they are the mainstay fighters for their respective nations. Other aircraft that entered the South Korean competition were the Su-35 and Eurofighter Typhoon. I think this is indicative of what South Korea was looking for.

I believe both SK and SG are your standard F-15Es with some extra bells and whistles attached. For instance SK can fire SLAMs which USAF F-15Es can't (or couldn't at the time). Neither are particularly more air superiority oriented than F-15E

And SKs are not the mainstay fighters for the ROKAF, nor SG for RSAF, neither have ordered that many. They are the high end of their airfleet, but both have F-16s and other fighters as mainstay.

 

[plawolf]

I was under the impression that although both F-15SK and F-15SG were based upon the F-15E airframe, they were designed with airsuperiority in mind since they are the mainstay fighters for their respective nations. Other aircraft that entered the South Korean competition were the Su-35 and Eurofighter Typhoon. I think this is indicative of what South Korea was looking for.

The F15SK and SG are certainly highly capable birds in AA and not dedicated strikers like the Su34, but they are multirole fighters with a very big emphasis on strike.

In terms of the Su35 and Typhoon being offered, well, what other offerings does their home nations really have? I see it less of a case of those offerings being indicative of what the South Koreans and Singaporeans wanted, and more a matter of those being the only contenders their makers can offer.

Although it should be remembered that the Typhoon was actually the plane the air forces of both countries preferred, but the American offering won in the end because of politics, so capability is not the only, or even most important factor when it comes to international arms sales.

 

[SinoSoldier]

The F15SG is based on the F15E strike eagle and is also strike oriented. The J11B is air superiority oriented. The two types might approach each other in terms of technology, but capacity wise, both would have distinct advantages over the other because of their very different designed roles.

Never mind, "combat capability" was the wrong terminology to choose.