China Flanker Thread II

[Air Force Brat]

Can we come back to the topic please ????

Deino

AAAHHH, Roger that, Flight Leader, I am tracking two bogeys outbound CV-16, are we supposed to have visitors today???? brat

Flankers UP?

 

[Franklin]

Actually it's limited to some area and few places only. They way I see it, it's not unlike the Chinese military. Where you have a few units using the absolute state of art equipment, but the rest of force is fairly obsolete. Where else in the world would you find an air force with not one, but two 5th gen fighter under testing (J-20 / J-31) and a 2nd ground attack aircraft (Q-5) still compose a significant portion of the force. (okay, okay. The US is also still flying B-52s, but you still get the point..)

In the Army, this is even more true, just look at the number of Type 59s still in service, and from TV footage, many don't seem to be upgraded at all... Mean while you have the Type 99 arming just a handful of units.

Navy was in the same boat just a few years ago, before the surge of 054As and 056s that finally turned the tide.

On the civilian technology front... let's look at cityscape
China, the ultra modern time lapses
[video=youtube;8HCve8KBUrI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HCve8KBUrI[/video]
Kunming, a rather blend time lapses average Chinese city.
[video=youtube;4UGJ75xq9xs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UGJ75xq9xs[/video]
Finally, the countryside through a HSR time lapses.. (run out of videos I can include in a post)

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As for fields, it's really depends on the execution of

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in the 1980s and 1990s. The space program, telecommunication, computer and transportation infrastructure did exceptionally well, shipbuilding and energy did okay, semiconductor(Loongson in my opinion is a epic failure, perform far less than what non-target private initiatives like Speardtrum, Rockchip etc have achieved) , pharmaceutical and aircraft industries didn't perform given the money poured into it, while in lasers (at least the ones we know of) and material engineering did really achieve any breakthrough. The latter severely constrain the aircraft engines and it really shows.

Posts like these and that of dingyibvs are of real worth. Its breakthrough both myths that China is a science and technological superpower or that China has no technology and only knows how to copy. China is now in a in between state where it has come a long way which the Chinese should take pride in but there is also a long way to go and that also needs to be recognised.

So what i have understood from dingyibvs post is that in the early stages of the J-11B production there were indeed serious issue's with the plane like mentioned in the link from Hardware. But that those issue's has now been resolved since they are able to make modifications on the Flankers like on the J-16.

 

[kroko]

Actually it's limited to some area and few places only. They way I see it, it's not unlike the Chinese military. Where you have a few units using the absolute state of art equipment, but the rest of force is fairly obsolete. Where else in the world would you find an air force with not one, but two 5th gen fighter under testing (J-20 / J-31) and a 2nd ground attack aircraft (Q-5) still compose a significant portion of the force. (okay, okay. The US is also still flying B-52s, but you still get the point..)

In the Army, this is even more true, just look at the number of Type 59s still in service, and from TV footage, many don't seem to be upgraded at all... Mean while you have the Type 99 arming just a handful of units.

Navy was in the same boat just a few years ago, before the surge of 054As and 056s that finally turned the tide.

Remember that china has a huge territory to defend and it spends far less in terms of GDP percentage on defence than for exemple the US. The country still needs to invest a lot into its civilian economy. They dont want to repeat the failures of the USSR. IMO they are doing it right. Developing the tech is the priority. Numbers can come later.

As for fields, it's really depends on the execution of

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in the 1980s and 1990s. The space program, telecommunication, computer and transportation infrastructure did exceptionally well, shipbuilding and energy did okay, semiconductor(Loongson in my opinion is a epic failure, perform far less than what non-target private initiatives like Speardtrum, Rockchip etc have achieved) , pharmaceutical and aircraft industries didn't perform given the money poured into it, while in lasers (at least the ones we know of) and material engineering did really achieve any breakthrough. The latter severely constrain the aircraft engines and it really shows.

Care to elaborate the statement in bold?

 

[rhino123]

Actually it's limited to some area and few places only. They way I see it, it's not unlike the Chinese military. Where you have a few units using the absolute state of art equipment, but the rest of force is fairly obsolete. Where else in the world would you find an air force with not one, but two 5th gen fighter under testing (J-20 / J-31) and a 2nd ground attack aircraft (Q-5) still compose a significant portion of the force. (okay, okay. The US is also still flying B-52s, but you still get the point..)

In the Army, this is even more true, just look at the number of Type 59s still in service, and from TV footage, many don't seem to be upgraded at all... Mean while you have the Type 99 arming just a handful of units.

Navy was in the same boat just a few years ago, before the surge of 054As and 056s that finally turned the tide.

On the civilian technology front... let's look at cityscape
China, the ultra modern time lapses
Kunming, a rather blend time lapses average Chinese city.
Finally, the countryside through a HSR time lapses.. (run out of videos I can include in a post)


As for fields, it's really depends on the execution of

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in the 1980s and 1990s. The space program, telecommunication, computer and transportation infrastructure did exceptionally well, shipbuilding and energy did okay, semiconductor(Loongson in my opinion is a epic failure, perform far less than what non-target private initiatives like Speardtrum, Rockchip etc have achieved) , pharmaceutical and aircraft industries didn't perform given the money poured into it, while in lasers (at least the ones we know of) and material engineering did really achieve any breakthrough. The latter severely constrain the aircraft engines and it really shows.

To risk from further derailing of the thread, let me just point this up...

Current inventory of the Chinese on the whole is good enough for their own domestic uses and really not in dire need to upgrade... You don't need state of the art aircraft, helicopters and armoured vehicles for small insurgencies or crowd control... of course it would be good if you have them, but they are not priority.

Although China had a wide border, but unlike time past, they really do not need to have a presence of their military across the entire border to provide support and defence against adversaries or foreign enemies, so they really do not need that much and massive number of fighters and helicopters etc... after all, no one (perhaps only the US - which I somehow doubt) could pull the stunt of sending in massive amount of fighters to attack all across the border.

What the Chinese need and I believe are already doing or had already done, are very advance intelligence network (satellite, AWAC, etc) to pinpoint where the enemy are attacking and send in their frontline fighters and armours to those affected area. The time whereby they need massive number of troops to defend the borders are long gone. The Chinese had advances and they don't really need that much to defend a large area.

And the Chinese doesn't seemed to have the interest of policing the world or to act as a police of the world, so they really don't need that much advance systems and components to be deployed overseas...

 

[luhai]

Remember that china has a huge territory to defend and it spends far less in terms of GDP percentage on defence than for exemple the US. The country still needs to invest a lot into its civilian economy. They dont want to repeat the failures of the USSR. IMO they are doing it right. Developing the tech is the priority. Numbers can come later.



Care to elaborate the statement in bold?

sorry, I meant while in lasers (at least the ones we know of) and material engineering did not really achieve any breakthrough.

 

[kroko]

sorry, I meant while in lasers (at least the ones we know of) and material engineering did not really achieve any breakthrough.

Again, care to elaborate? i mean, elaborate a bit more beyond saying that they didnt achieve any breakthrough.

 

[Deino]

Finally another J-15 involved ... but did You notice '554' has now AL-31F instead of the WS-10H !

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[Deino]

Finally another J-15 involved ... but did You notice '554' has now AL-31F instead of the WS-10H !

... with the TH !

 

[plawolf]

Finally another J-15 involved ... but did You notice '554' has now AL-31F instead of the WS-10H !

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That's a little disappointing. I wonder if the slow spool up issue still hasn't been fully addressed with the WS10H, and that is why they went back to AL31. The engine issue might also help to explain the 6 month gap in activity of the Liaoning.

On the plus side, at least this demonstrates that WS10 and AL31 are easily interchangeable on J15 and J11s.

 

[tphuang]

That's a little disappointing. I wonder if the slow spool up issue still hasn't been fully addressed with the WS10H, and that is why they went back to AL31. The engine issue might also help to explain the 6 month gap in activity of the Liaoning.

On the plus side, at least this demonstrates that WS10 and AL31 are easily interchangeable on J15 and J11s.

TH has actually improved a lot in quality already, but they still have issues. I don't believe any of the TH J-11B regiments have participated in any of the DS exercises thus far.