China Flanker Thread II

[rhino123]

Frankly... I will take that link with a big big pinch of salt... and I would actually say it border somewhere between bullshit and fantasy.

There are no references (credible one), just that some reporters reported something... can be hearsay, or simply rumors that was created by some fans online... also they keep claiming experts... well... the biggest questions is... who are those experts?

Finally... I have been in this forum long enough to kind of suspect news from wforum...

 

[plawolf]

Is this the new 'Chinese Su35' story?

Its almost getting to the point where it is becoming a tradition now. Another year, another Russian BS story about China and a new flanker variant.

The flanker has already peaked in China. It peaked years ago when it got comprehensively owned by J10s in exercises.

The J15 and J16 will, in all likelihood, be the last Chinese flanker variants, and even that may be optimistic because the J16 is a SAC driven project that may not even get selected by the PLAAF as they may favour the JH7B.

The Su34 makes absolutely no sense for the PLAAF, it is a dated design that will have very limited chances of successfully completing its mission and making it back to base in the kinds of high threat environments the PLAAF might have to fight in, or would be complete overkill against some of the weaker opponents that the likes of the JH7A and J11BS/J16 would be able to deal with pretty easily.

 

[Air Force Brat]

Is this the new 'Chinese Su35' story?

Its almost getting to the point where it is becoming a tradition now. Another year, another Russian BS story about China and a new flanker variant.

The flanker has already peaked in China. It peaked years ago when it got comprehensively owned by J10s in exercises.

The J15 and J16 will, in all likelihood, be the last Chinese flanker variants, and even that may be optimistic because the J16 is a SAC driven project that may not even get selected by the PLAAF as they may favour the JH7B.

The Su34 makes absolutely no sense for the PLAAF, it is a dated design that will have very limited chances of successfully completing its mission and making it back to base in the kinds of high threat environments the PLAAF might have to fight in, or would be complete overkill against some of the weaker opponents that the likes of the JH7A and J11BS/J16 would be able to deal with pretty easily.

Now Wolfie, I'm completely buying your Su-34 story, especially in light of the little surprise on the ramp next to the Y-20, but, don't sell the Flanker short, it is a very capable adaptable airframe, and I still think there is a little meat on the Su-35 story, especially if the F-117s is part of the package, the J-10 is a very agile fighter, but it has its limitations, just like -the 5.56 round as opposed to say a 308, they each have their niche, and in my honest opinion, the J-20s will fill its own niche, but I never count your points out, because you are able to recognize and honestly evaluate strengths as well as weaknesses. I myself am not entirely sold on the Su-34 for Russia either, but we shall see? Brat

 

[tphuang]

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russian avaition press report that Chinese version of SU-34 ( J-17) has wrap up wind tunnel test.PLAAF intend to use the aircraft to replace H-6 bomber,early production of H-6 are being scrap as.satelite photo show the number of H-6 is dwindling.

wforum is not known to have accurate pieces.

 

[hardware]

wforum is not known to have accurate pieces.

few years ago. some one posted a picture showing small SU-34 in wind tunnel.can someone report the picture.

 

[MiG-29]

Is this the new 'Chinese Su35' story?


The Su34 makes absolutely no sense for the PLAAF, it is a dated design that will have very limited chances of successfully completing its mission and making it back to base in the kinds of high threat environments the PLAAF might have to fight in, .

Su-34, is not a dated design, pretty much is the best aircraft in its class, surpassing both the F-15E and Su-30 by a great margin and the JH-7 by even greater margin.

So pretty much is an aircraft that can do the anti-submarine mission and has Tu-22M range, having the ability to fly low as it had swing wings.
watch it and in minute 1:40 to minute 2:10 proves it flies at low altitude as F-111, something F-15E or JH-7 can not do

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Is what China wants? perhaps not, is it a dated design?, no it is not, specially since PAKDA is still in design and China has no operational aircraft as capable
Watch minute 26, the video is in russian but you can see Su-34 does the anti-submarine mission

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[MiG-29]

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russian avaition press report that Chinese version of SU-34 ( J-17) has wrap up wind tunnel test.PLAAF intend to use the aircraft to replace H-6 bomber,early production of H-6 are being scrap as.satelite photo show the number of H-6 is dwindling.

that does not seem to be a Russian report, but a chinese forum gossip, do you have the link to an official russian report?
I doubt China will build the Su-34, simply because they were not even willing to grant Su-33 license, and Su-35S was a direct sale without any license involved.

 

[hardware]

actually one has to cross check,remember back in August 2011, russian aviation press report that China has produced two J-20 prototype,this is before december 2011 official unveiling.
Chinese engineer is no stranger to side by side cockpit design ,during the 1983 visit by aviation week reporter to Xian,discover a pieces of FB-111,in the mid-70's side by side configuration wsa put forward by XAC for the JH-X project.

 

[MiG-29]

actually one has to cross check,remember back in August 2011, russian aviation press report that China has produced two J-20 prototype,this is before december 2011 official unveiling.

I do not claim to know everything, but i doubt the "news" (which i consider a mythlore gossip), J-20 is a Chinese aircraft, Su-34, is not, i doubt Su-34 will be copied or build in China.

First is Sukhoi will need to grant the license, second i doubt China will copy it.

 

[Air Force Brat]

Su-34, is not a dated design, pretty much is the best aircraft in its class, surpassing both the F-15E and Su-30 by a great margin and the JH-7 by even greater margin.

So pretty much is an aircraft that can do the anti-submarine mission and has Tu-22M range, having the ability to fly low as it had swing wings.
watch it and in minute 1:40 to minute 2:10 proves it flies at low altitude as F-111, something F-15E or JH-7 can not do

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Is what China wants? perhaps not, is it a dated design?, no it is not, specially since PAKDA is still in design and China has no operational aircraft as capable
Watch minute 26, the video is in russian but you can see Su-34 does the anti-submarine mission

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Like Wolfie said Mig it is very unlikely that the PLAAF has any desire to acquire the Su-34 or a clone of same, and it is very unlikely to replace the H-6, it just make no sense. Your proclamation that the F-15 cannot fly low level missions because it doesn't have swing wings is intellectually bankrupt, what non-sense, the F-111 is archaic, perhaps why you used it as an example when talking about the Su-34, also out of date and the JH-7 fits in there as well. The B-1b does have swing wings, but at low level the wings are swept the throttles are pushed up to very high subsonic speeds, and the small canards up front are to damp out the oscillations caused by turbulence and smooth the ride. Even the USAF has cut the number of operational B-1s from 100 down to 60 or so probably less. The Su-34 is particularly unsuited to the anti-submarine role as loiter time is very necessary to perform that mission effectively, and I can guaratee the Su-34 is a very thirsty bird down low. Really Mig