China Flanker Thread II

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asif iqbal said:
You can have the best ejection seats in the world, the thing is its all dependent on air speed, angle of ejection, orientation of aircraft, G force it ejects and many other factors, and on occasions all these factors come against you and the result is pilots can't eject

A Martain Baker equipped JF17 crashed killing the pilot last year, F22 have failed, thats just the risk flying has
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I remember a MiG-29 ingesting a bird at the Paris Air Show many years ago. The aircraft turned turtle and crashed. The pilot was ejected with a downward velocity component but the seat followed a curved path to let him reach a safe altitude to use his 'chute. K-37 seat IIRC.
 
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plawolf said:
A lot of the reports about the pilots being killed claimed they were killed because they didn't eject, but looking at those pictures, that clearly isn't so. I am more and more inclined to think the KIA reports are just rumours, and wrong at that.

It would be extremely unusual for pilots who had ejected at a reasonable altitude to be killed by the ejection process. The vast majority of ejection related fatalities involving modern ejection seats happen because the pilots ejected too late/low and their parachutes did not have time to deploy fully. Had that been the case, the eye witness reports would have said the pilots died because their chutes did not open rather than because they did not eject.

I am thinking that the 'did not eject' story came about because the people who witnessed the crash did not see parachutes and assumed the pilots were still onboard. But from those pictures, it is clear that the pilots did eject, and if they did so early enough that eye witnesses who saw the plane come down did not see the chutes, then there is a very good chance they ejected high enough for their seats and chutes to deploy properly, which would give them a very good chance of survival.
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But it could be that they ejected too low and their parachute couldn't open fully. News reports say the reason they didn't eject is because they wanted to avoid crashing into civilian buildings and a bridge. Perhaps there's some truth in this as well.
 
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T-U-P said:
But it could be that they ejected too low and their parachute couldn't open fully. News reports say the reason they didn't eject is because they wanted to avoid crashing into civilian buildings and a bridge. Perhaps there's some truth in this as well.
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Modern fighter jets use zero zero ejection seats so that they can safely eject and land in a zero altitude zero airspeed environment.
 
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T-U-P said:
But it could be that they ejected too low and their parachute couldn't open fully. News reports say the reason they didn't eject is because they wanted to avoid crashing into civilian buildings and a bridge. Perhaps there's some truth in this as well.
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Has there been official news reports on the crash already?
 
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