China Flanker Thread II

[Deino]

And where do You see the direct connection between that program and the WS-10A ???

IMO that program is to develop the necesary technology for future powerplants and most of all high-bypass turbofans for commercial use ... and not to improve the reliability of an engine already in service.

Deino

 

[Blitzo]

If j-15 is in LRIP, i think thats due to WS-10. I dont think that china has mastered mass-production of aircraft engines.

So you're saying if China has "mastered" mass production of aircraft engines then J-15 would be beyond LRIP?
I don't think so.

This is not a "stupid" argument:

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This is xinhua, not some kind of internet rumour mill.

The problem is that the article doesn't specify WS-10, and we don't know what "mass production cannot be realized" means. What does it mean quantitatively? Does it mean the PLAAF has a demand for 200 WS-10s a year and shenyang liming can only produce 100? Or are they saying every WS-10 even now is hand built? (hard to believe considering how many WS-10s have already been produced I think)

Basically, associations between this article and WS-10s supposed current production rate or capability needs to stop.

PLA has many other turbofan and turbojet engine projects going taht this article can equally apply to.

 

[kroko]

And where do You see the direct connection between that program and the WS-10A ???

The problem is that the article doesn't specify WS-10

Come on people. WS-10 is not specified on that article, but its not hard to make the connection with it, taking into account that AFAIK its the only chinese modern domestic aircraft engine for airplanes being produced. The others are in development.

its the first time that china produces an aircraft engine of this complexity. Vey few nations can develop and produce aircraft engines. Its very complex tech. Dont be upset if china is having dificulties with it right now.

 

[Blitzo]

Come on people. WS-10 is not specified on that article, but its not hard to make the connection with it, taking into account that AFAIK its the only chinese modern domestic aircraft engine for airplanes being produced.

WS-10 is currently the most high profile turbofan engine that we know about... but there are many lesser known turbofans and turbojets used aboard indigenous aircraft that this article would also apply to.

Again, this article is a reflection of the entire state of china's engine production capabilities rather than the progress of an individual engine type.

its the first time that china produces an aircraft engine of this complexity. Vey few nations can develop and produce aircraft engines. Its very complex tech. Dont be upset if china is having dificulties with it right now.

See that's the thing. Nobody's denying china is probably having, or have had difficulties with WS-10. Hell, for years before we finally saw J-11Bs equipped with WS-10s we knew something was up.

But all new J-11Bs, and J-15 and J-16 prototypes have all been equipped with WS-10 and as far as we know the problem is that shenyang liming actually cannot produce enough engines at this moment. So yes, you can describe that as having issues in mass production.

What you are doing here is trying to associate a general statement about a collective industry with the present situation of a single project in that industry.

 

[Schumacher]

This is not a "stupid" argument:

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This is xinhua, not some kind of internet rumour mill.

New jet & complex machinery go thru LRIP, that's just how things are done.
With the only carrier used for training & others not ready yet. There's no other way but LRIP for J15.
To link an unrelated report to WS10 with no evidence but wishful thinking is indeed very "stupid".

 

[Lion]

New jet & complex machinery go thru LRIP, that's just how things are done.
With the only carrier used for training & others not ready yet. There's no other way but LRIP for J15.
To link an unrelated report to WS10 with no evidence but wishful thinking is indeed very "stupid".

Agree. Plus you need not build 30-40 J-15 at the moment since there is only one carrier at the moment. LRIP by Chinese definitination is how many? 16 per year? Given that they can make 30-40 flanker of J series. That is consider ok.

 

[delft]

Agree. Plus you need not build 30-40 J-15 at the moment since there is only one carrier at the moment. LRIP by Chinese definitination is how many? 16 per year? Given that they can make 30-40 flanker of J series. That is consider ok.

It is not about so many per year. It means a smaller batch of J-15's between ordinary sized batches of J-11B's. You don't build a special production facility for four of five batches of specialty Flankers beside the main production facility for many more batches of Flankers and training people to man that plant. All Flankers except prototypes, J-11, J-15 and, if it will be chosen for PLAAF, J-16, are or will be built in batches in the same plant. This is not a car factory nor is it production on the scale we knew for combat aircraft in WWII.

 

[Schumacher]

Agree. Plus you need not build 30-40 J-15 at the moment since there is only one carrier at the moment. LRIP by Chinese definitination is how many? 16 per year? Given that they can make 30-40 flanker of J series. That is consider ok.

The funny part is the guy chose probably the worst report to try to spin into a WS10 negative.
We're seeing WS10 not only going into production on another new model J15, but one launched from carriers meaning WS10H has met the higher thrust & reliability needed for carrier launched jets.

 

[asif iqbal]

I dont think J15 production will be big, maybe one batch and thats it

new more advanced designs are in the pipeline

 

[kroko]

WS-10 is currently the most high profile turbofan engine that we know about... but there are many lesser known turbofans and turbojets used aboard indigenous aircraft that this article would also apply to.

Perhabs i dont know really, but tell the name of one turbofan engine that china is producing right now, besides WS-10. Turbojets dont count because they are the stone age of jet engine tech.

But all new J-11Bs, and J-15 and J-16 prototypes have all been equipped with WS-10 and as far as we know the problem is that shenyang liming actually cannot produce enough engines at this moment. So yes, you can describe that as having issues in mass production..

Not all j-15 prototypes are equiped with WS-10 and even you admit that shenyang doesnt produce enough WS-10.