China Flanker Thread II

[JsCh]

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Interview with chief engineer of J-15 revealed that J-15 is currently in LRIP using WS10 engine. Depending on weapon load, J15's combat radius can reach 1,000 km.
He also said that the next generation carrier borne fighter may appear before 2020.

 

[kroko]

Interview with chief engineer of J-15 revealed that J-15 is currently in LRIP using WS10 engine.

If j-15 is in LRIP, i think thats due to WS-10. I dont think that china has mastered mass-production of aircraft engines.

 

[Deino]

If j-15 is in LRIP, i think thats due to WS-10. I dont think that china has mastered mass-production of aircraft engines.

Why on earth again this - sorry if need to apologise in advance again - "stupid" argument ??? There are nearly hundreds of WS-10A-flying around in several J-11B-units ... the J-15 will surely not be that different (at least engine-wise), so why on earth is that a hint that "china has [not] mastered mass-production of aircraft engines" ????

This could be related to the avionics, this could be due to a shortage of pilots, maybe simply due to a schedulde we don't know ...

Deino

 

[Quickie]

IMO, the LRIP has to do with new production methods, new procedures which needs to be tested out in the manufacturing of a new type of aircraft, although I suspect they can quickly move on to faster production because of their experience in other flanker variants.

 

[delft]

Why on earth again this - sorry if need to apologise in advance again - "stupid" argument ??? There are nearly hundreds of WS-10A-flying around in several J-11B-units ... the J-15 will surely not be that different (at least engine-wise), so why on earth is that a hint that "china has [not] mastered mass-production of aircraft engines" ????

This could be related to the avionics, this could be due to a shortage of pilots, maybe simply due to a schedulde we don't know ...

Deino

Low rate initial production is just what is necessary, building a small batch of J-15's enough to make sure that you find the mistakes while training the first small batch of carrier aviators. It will likely be half or two third of the proposed equipment of CV-16. After the next batch of J-11B's an ordinary batch of J-15's might follow. All in all the total production of J-15's will be small, even if the aircraft will equip the first three carriers. And that of course depends on the building rate of the carriers and the time the next carrier fighter aircraft will be available.

 

[Deino]

Yes ... as such I really don't understand why again this WS-10 = unreliable story ?

Deino

 

[Jeff Head]

All in all the total production of J-15's will be small, even if the aircraft will equip the first three carriers. And that of course depends on the building rate of the carriers and the time the next carrier fighter aircraft will be available.

Well, lets just say that the J-15 will equip the first three carriers.

Lets say the next two are similar to the Liaoning, but not constrained by the the already built Varyag structure. That means, IMHO, probably a larger hangar bay, a smaller islands, and maybe one or two waste cats.

So, Lianoing can hold 24 J-15s, but let's say due to those kind of improvements, the next two can hold 36 each. That would be a total of 96 altogether for the carrier wings thjemselves. In addition to that you will have a couple of squadrons, and propably at least one testing squadron, maybe of 12 aircraft each, so another 36. That's a total build of of 132 aircraft altogether. Not a bad build at all if it comes out that way.

 

[plawolf]

Well, lets just say that the J-15 will equip the first three carriers.

Lets say the next two are similar to the Liaoning, but not constrained by the the already built Varyag structure. That means, IMHO, probably a larger hangar bay, a smaller islands, and maybe one or two waste cats.

So, Lianoing can hold 24 J-15s, but let's say due to those kind of improvements, the next two can hold 36 each. That would be a total of 96 altogether for the carrier wings thjemselves. In addition to that you will have a couple of squadrons, and propably at least one testing squadron, maybe of 12 aircraft each, so another 36. That's a total build of of 132 aircraft altogether. Not a bad build at all if it comes out that way.

That is assuming of course, that all three carriers will be equipped with only J15s for fixed wing fast jet ops. Depending on the timeframe of when the indigenous carriers come online, it could be possible that the J31 also comes into play. After all, SAC (which is working on the J31) put out words that the next gen carrier fighter is expected around 2020. If we make the not all that big assuming that SAC was thinking about the J31 when they made that claim, it would be possible that the final J15 production numbers are significantly lower than the 132 units you projected if the PLAN decided to supplement the carrier air wings with J31s.

Based on the smaller size of the J31 and assuming larger hangers designed with J31s and J15s in mind, I can easily see 36-48 fighters each with a mix of J15s and J31s, especially if they were carrying mainly J31s for air superiority, with maybe 12-24 J15s for strike and long range intercept. 48 would also make more sense than 36 since that is exactly two regiments.

 

[Jeff Head]

That is assuming of course, that all three carriers will be equipped with only J15s for fixed wing fast jet ops. Depending on the timeframe of when the indigenous carriers come online, it could be possible that the J31 also comes into play.

Agreed 100%. My working premise was that these carriers would be equipped with J-15s before the J-31 was introduced into full production and became an in-service aircraft.

That's why at the very start I said, "Let's just say that the J-15 will equip the first three carriers."

If they do, then the numbers I spoke of would be possible. If they do not, then it will be less J-15 numbers because the J-31 would supplement the airwings.

 

[kroko]

Why on earth again this - sorry if need to apologise in advance again - "stupid" argument ??? There are nearly hundreds of WS-10A-flying around in several J-11B-units ... the J-15 will surely not be that different (at least engine-wise), so why on earth is that a hint that "china has [not] mastered mass-production of aircraft engines" ????

This could be related to the avionics, this could be due to a shortage of pilots, maybe simply due to a schedulde we don't know ...

Deino

This is not a "stupid" argument:

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from the article:

Although the country is capable of producing aircraft engines, product performance is inadequate and mass production cannot be realized, the second source with the BUAA said.

This is xinhua, not some kind of internet rumour mill.