China Flanker Thread II

[paintgun]

so what is the ramification if it is real?

china prob asked for 117 engine and russians don't want to sale it with out a fighter package to sweeten the deal.

48 x 2 x spare factor = 200-300 117 engines

plus other things like radar.

engines for early batch of J-20?

 

[i.e.]

engines for early batch of J-20?

Spare tire incase of WS-15 drags schedule.

 

[AssassinsMace]

The only case this might be genuine on the part of the Russians is they're p.o.ed that the Indians went somewhere else and not them to buy fighters. After China, they were their only big customer left. All the other factors they said before that prevented sale to China are still in play. On China's part, they got bad deals from the Russians before. Why would China bother? If Russia was serious, why not fulfil the transport plane order then?

 

[paintgun]

The only case this might be genuine on the part of the Russians is they're p.o.ed that the Indians went somewhere else and not them to buy fighters. After China, they were their only big customer left. All the other factors they said before that prevented sale to China are still in play. On China's part, they got bad deals from the Russians before. Why would China bother? If Russia was serious, why not fulfil the transport plane order then?

the Indians have nothing if very little to do with Su-35 pipeline, sale proposals and negotiations have been revolving around Mig-29k and Mig-35 for the last few years, with Sukhoi they are going to have their MKI upgrade with Su-35 tech and that deal is still pretty much in place

the most possible explanation is China is seeking to buy engines from Saturn as a hedge against WS-15 coming late, but the Russians are tying the deal with Su-35 planes, such news surfacing probably means the deal fell through (various possibilities Russia refuses to sell engine, China refuses to buy plane, etc etc) but we never know, it might happen as well

 

[AssassinsMace]

I wasn't talking about India being a customer of the Su-35. I'm talking in general that Russia now has lost their biggest customer to a rival.

 

[AeroEngineer]

This deal is the old bullsh!t again.


Just 6 years ago, Russia say" China will buy 50 SU-33, 6 destoryers, 12 Kilos" lol. Same old bullcrap!

 

[weig2000]

Even if the deal would not come through, just the words that the Chinese were interested in buying Su-35 would be endorsement for Su-35 and a diss to China's burgeoning fighter aircraft industry.

 

[Player99]

the Indians have nothing if very little to do with Su-35 pipeline, sale proposals and negotiations have been revolving around Mig-29k and Mig-35 for the last few years, with Sukhoi they are going to have their MKI upgrade with Su-35 tech and that deal is still pretty much in place

the most possible explanation is China is seeking to buy engines from Saturn as a hedge against WS-15 coming late, but the Russians are tying the deal with Su-35 planes, such news surfacing probably means the deal fell through (various possibilities Russia refuses to sell engine, China refuses to buy plane, etc etc) but we never know, it might happen as well

Hehe, that doesn't soothe me. For it would mean that the WS-15 project is not running well as planned.

 

[Blitzo]

Hehe, that doesn't soothe me. For it would mean that the WS-15 project is not running well as planned.

PLAAF have been bitten by engine delays with previous and even current fighters too many times, it would make sense to have a back up, and doesn't necessarily reflect on WS-15's current situation (more likely mass production, quality control).

But the idea they're willing to buy full 48 Su-35s just to snap up the 117s... weird idea. Besides all the new reports seem to be based on that single one article. We've seen past russian media saying everything from Su-33 to Tu-22M were to be delivered, let's get real here guys.

 

[Player99]

The only reasons for why this deal might be real is to keep military to military ties with russia or to have planes capable of firing russian munitions still in PLAAF storage. But even that's a massive stretch.

I prefer this to be the reason, if the deal turns out to be real.

By the way, it's getting louder now, today I read on one printed paper （参考消息） the same piece of forwarded news.