China Flanker Thread II

[crobato]

I am assuming the J-11Bs are using the WS-10A, no more Russian engines.
but what about the T/W ratio issue of the WS-10A?

Should be better than the standard Russian Su-27SK. The reason for this, the WS-10A makes about 13,200kg of thrust (roughly like 29,000lbs) while the AL-31F makes about 12,500kg of thrust or roughly like 27,500lbs. On the other side, the J-11B is alleged to have several hundred pounds of weight reduced due to lighter materials and systems.

 

[antimatter]

Should be better than the standard Russian Su-27SK. The reason for this, the WS-10A makes about 13,200kg of thrust (roughly like 29,000lbs) while the AL-31F makes about 12,500kg of thrust or roughly like 27,500lbs. On the other side, the J-11B is alleged to have several hundred pounds of weight reduced due to lighter materials and systems.

What about the issue of the WS-10A preventing its use on the J10 and FC-1?
I am wondering if there are still tons of technical issues on manufacturing.

If they can't get the yield up, the product might as well as be no good.
kind of like semiconductor, if low yield, the product won't be produced at all.

 

[crobato]

What about the issue of the WS-10A preventing its use on the J10 and FC-1?
I am wondering if there are still tons of technical issues on manufacturing.

If they can't get the yield up, the product might as well as be no good.
kind of like semiconductor, if low yield, the product won't be produced at all.

If certain charts is right, they're wanting to use the WS-10B instead for the J-10. That engine has more power.

There might be issues about manufacturing in the required quantities. The problem is that the J-11s use up two of the engines rather than one, not to mention you need a spare. The J-11 engines have a slightly different configuration than the J-10's, that is, the accessories and gearbox has to be set on top, not on the bottom. Also the producer of the engines is in Shenyang, and Shenyang Liming might have closer associations with Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (favoritism) as opposed to CAC.

Likewise, there may also be a competing naval and power plant demand on the engines as well.

But I would also think that the next change on the J-10 is a complete package in itself, which means this next version also has a lot of other changes and upgrades not related to the engine. One particular development in one area can hold up the entire version even if that development has nothing to do with the engines. Let's hypothetically say the radar is not ready. It holds up the plane even if the engine is ready. I expect the next version of the J-10 is already being developed or even tested and will have a list of changes.

The engine is too big for the FC-1. It has to use a smaller engine.

 

[tphuang]

Do you think Chengdu will be able to get another contract for more RD-33s? As far as I can tell WS-10 variants are still not quite up to PLAAF requirements yet.

they are still taking time to mature, that's why they are still buying AL-31FN

Hmmm ...
that may be a good explanation about the missing of realy new J-10 pictures from new regiments.
I know that the general hype about that type has cooled down a lot by most observers esp. after Zhuhai, but if I remember we received some information or at least rumours about new regiments in nearly anual steps.
Sadly until now nothing new ... not even a clear picture of a 1. or 2. Division bird (as clear as the 3. and 44. Division ones)


Deino

well, J-10s place in PLAAF hasn't changed, you just can't produce too many new ones when you don't have engines. And also, the upgrading took time too. I think we will see more J-10 regiments coming out this year, especially with the 50 engine contract they signed last year.

 

[challenge]

rd-33 already dated engine,according to IDR,Russian is developing a new 106 kn TF engine for Mig-35

 

[crobato]

The wide screen HUD of the J-11B is obvious in this picture.

 

[Deino]

... what's this under that J-11B ???

Looks similar to the once shown PL-10 short-range IR-AAM, but this one seems larger.

Deino


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[crobato]

I see a rather large missile, but too far and non detailed to make out of it, except it might have long fins across the body.

In these pictures, the small UV MAWS on the tail happens to glint off with the sun's reflection.

Addendum. In the middle picture, I think the white missile on the wing tip might be a PL-5E.

 

[Deino]

I see a rather large missile, but too far and non detailed to make out of it, except it might have long fins across the body.

In these pictures, the small UV MAWS on the tail happens to glint off with the sun's reflection.

Addendum. In the middle picture, I think the white missile on the wing tip might be a PL-5E.

Yes ... and that's what makes me curious, as it is IMO too large for a short range AAM, but looks completely different to an AA-12 or the PL-12.

Maybe something new ??

Deino

 

[SteelBird]

Some one on sina.com called it the mysterious PL-1x and suggested that the missile is for firing backward. Can anybody confirm?