China Flanker Thread II

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tphuang

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Some have green nose or lighter grey nose. Apparently the radars of different coloured noses are different with black ones having the most advanced indegenous radar. (or so I was told anecdotally)
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What the heck are you talking about? Why don't you show an indigenous fighter with green nose or lighter grey nose? All the production ones using domestic radar are using black nose.

Will the J-11BS be used by PLANAF or PLAAF? If it is the latter will JH-7A be in trouble?
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If you could post the J-8II picture the ol' J-8 thread then that would be great!

As for the J-11BS' FINALLY getting the WS-10As, this shows a significant increase in confidence of with the engine. I'm still not sure about service though, some people are saying these new WS-10A equipped J-11BS' will be just for training? Either way though this is a major milestone for China's engine development, developing an indigenous engine is a massive hurdle to have finally cleared.
I don't see why it would just be for training. WS-10A has been cleared for a while now.
 

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Good pictures, though I really don't understand why the PLAAF like their fighters to have "black noses," surely it won't be that good for keeping a low visual visibility.

I don't think visual visibility is as big of a concern these days although I do think that black radomes are unappealing visually. China really need to start improving the paintworks. The J-10B (painted) prototype has a grey radome though.
 

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Now, what I didn't post is a picture showing a J-8II in primer. I guess they are still in production too.

It's a recce-modified bird (JZ-8F ?) ... so maybe a conversion ?

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I don't think visual visibility is as big of a concern these days although I do think that black radomes are unappealing visually. China really need to start improving the paintworks. The J-10B (painted) prototype has a grey radome though.

It's possible they never painted the radomes. The colour is the natural colour of the material used.
 

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What the heck are you talking about? Why don't you show an indigenous fighter with green nose or lighter grey nose? All the production ones using domestic radar are using black nose.

I said the black ones are using domestic radar which should be the most advanced. But there are other colour schemes like grey and green as well, I didn't say all of them use domestic radar or not.

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I said the black ones are using domestic radar which should be the most advanced. But there are other colour schemes like grey and green as well, I didn't say all of them use domestic radar or not.
what's the point of mentioning the non-domestic ones? That's not what J-11BS are going to use?
I don't know where the green ones are used, but it seems more like a testing stage kind of thing. At least among the recent fighter jets like J-10, J-11B and JH-7A that joined service, they all use black nose. You can see it in huitong's gallery page.
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Now, it could indicate the radar manufacturer or something else, but it seems like all the recent ones are using black.
 

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PLAAF equivalent of Red flag exercise?
according to US, during the mid-90's PLAAF set up there equivalent of Top Gun and red flag exercise to train there pilots.
former soviet has there top gun program in kazakstan.
 

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I said the black ones are using domestic radar which should be the most advanced. But there are other colour schemes like grey and green as well, I didn't say all of them use domestic radar or not.

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Anyway, I don't think it is really that important a point of what colour the nose is painted. And seriously I do not think it reflect whether the radar build was domestic or imported from foreign source.

It might just be that the colour denote mass production or batch production aircraft or that the Chinese find that black nose is better for whatever case be it just appearance wise or actual technical wise.
 

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Apparently J-11s with black radome are J-11B, while those with grey radome and a half white ellipse pattern on the bottom (like second to last pic on post no. 1071) are J-11A

From air power australia:

"New build Shenyang J-11B Flanker B fighter. The missile under the wing is a Chinese clone of the Rafael Python 3 heatseeking missile. The J-11B aircraft are typically painted in different tactical camouflage to the J-11A, with a medium blue grey upper surface, light grey lower surface, black radome, while the half ellipse grey area on the nose is overpainted with uniform camouflage (Chinese internet images).

Background

The controversial J-11B is an unauthorised derivative of the Sukhoi J-11A/Su-27SK, built by Shenyang in China. The aircraft has been the subject of an ongoing dispute between Beijing and Moscow which has caused the suspension of production of the second batch on indigenously manufactured legally licenced J-11A/Su-27SK.

The J-11B is not an exact clone of the Su-27SK, despite the commonly held view this is so. The airframe and engines can be considered to be 'cloned' but the systems are mostly unique to this variant.

Known differences include:

1. A Chinese IRST set located in the centreline position as with the OLS-27 in early Su-27S.
2. A planar array multimode radar which resembles the Phazotron Zhuk-27 series. It includes an IFF interrogator array.
3. An Onboard Oxygen Generator System (OBOGS). Only the most recent Russian variants have an OBOGS.
4. A unique glass cockpit design, with an asymmetric layout quite different from the Su-30MKK/MK2 and Su-27SMK.
5. An optical MAWS system claimed to operate in the UV band.
6. Dielectric panels on the stabilators not seen on any Russian variant.

The differences between the J-11B, Su-27SK and Su-27SMK are sufficiently great that this must be considered a unique offshoot of the Flanker family of fighters, not a subtype of the baseline Su-27SK/J-11A."

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Apparently J-11s with black radome are J-11B, while those with grey radome and a half white ellipse pattern on the bottom (like second to last pic on post no. 1071) are J-11A

From air power australia:

"New build Shenyang J-11B Flanker B fighter. The missile under the wing is a Chinese clone of the Rafael Python 3 heatseeking missile. The J-11B aircraft are typically painted in different tactical camouflage to the J-11A, with a medium blue grey upper surface, light grey lower surface, black radome, while the half ellipse grey area on the nose is overpainted with uniform camouflage (Chinese internet images).

Background

The controversial J-11B is an unauthorised derivative of the Sukhoi J-11A/Su-27SK, built by Shenyang in China. The aircraft has been the subject of an ongoing dispute between Beijing and Moscow which has caused the suspension of production of the second batch on indigenously manufactured legally licenced J-11A/Su-27SK.

The J-11B is not an exact clone of the Su-27SK, despite the commonly held view this is so. The airframe and engines can be considered to be 'cloned' but the systems are mostly unique to this variant.

Known differences include:

1. A Chinese IRST set located in the centreline position as with the OLS-27 in early Su-27S.
2. A planar array multimode radar which resembles the Phazotron Zhuk-27 series. It includes an IFF interrogator array.
3. An Onboard Oxygen Generator System (OBOGS). Only the most recent Russian variants have an OBOGS.
4. A unique glass cockpit design, with an asymmetric layout quite different from the Su-30MKK/MK2 and Su-27SMK.
5. An optical MAWS system claimed to operate in the UV band.
6. Dielectric panels on the stabilators not seen on any Russian variant.

The differences between the J-11B, Su-27SK and Su-27SMK are sufficiently great that this must be considered a unique offshoot of the Flanker family of fighters, not a subtype of the baseline Su-27SK/J-11A."

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interesting to note that the australians accredit the j-11b as a completely new aircraft as early as 2008.
 
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