China Flanker Thread II

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The controversial J-11B is an unauthorised derivative ...

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Please forget "Dr. Carlo Kopp" and his "ausairpower.net" ! :rofl:

Not even Sukhoi or Pogosyan are claiming the J-11 to be an "unauthorised derivative". :mad:


But back to that strange "colour of the radome-discussion": The most interesting observation for me is the light grey, pitot-less radome on the JF-17 serial machines and the J-10B ... and maybe even the J-15 (at least it doesn't have a black radome).

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Please forget "Dr. Carlo Kopp" and his "ausairpower.net" ! :rofl:

Not even Sukhoi or Pogosyan are claiming the J-11 to be an "unauthorised derivative". :mad:


But back to that strange "colour of the radome-discussion": The most interesting observation for me is the light grey, pitot-less radome on the JF-17 serial machines and the J-10B ... and maybe even the J-15 (at least it doesn't have a black radome).

Deino

Just be satisfied for the fact that they said that the J-11B is sufficiently different to be a unique Flanker variant. Most western sources tend to end the story with "Chinese ripoff of xxxxx".
 

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Russia is ready to sell Su-35s to China!

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据俄新社11月16日珠海消息:俄罗斯国防出口公司今天称,俄方已经准备好就向中方空军交付最新型号的苏-35多用途战斗机相关事宜与中方展开会谈。

  2010年中国航空展于2010年11月16日至21日在珠海举行,俄罗斯国防出口公司副总经理亚历山大-米赫耶夫在珠海接受采访时说:“我们已经准备好同中国的伙伴们一起确保苏-35战机的顺利交付。”
  苏-35(Flanker-E)是第4.5代重型战机,该战机由两台117S引擎提供动力,机动性强,能够利用制导与非制导导弹与武器系统,同时有效瞄准多个目标。苏-35战斗机还配备了最新式IRBIS-E“雪豹”型相控阵雷达系统,该系统能够让飞行员探测并跟踪30个空中目标,并对其中8个目标展开攻击。同时,苏-35还装备1门30毫米的机炮(备弹150发),它的12个外挂点能够携带重达8吨的武器载荷。

  早在20世纪80年代末,随着苏-27战斗机的横空出世,“侧卫”苏-35战斗机家族的各个成员开始频繁现身于世界各国的航空航天博览会,不断展示自身的独门绝技,并陆续成为多个国家空军的主力作战机型。俄罗斯苏霍伊飞机制造公司早前曾表示,它计划在2011年,向外国客户交付“使用第五代战机技术的4++”新型战机;截止2020年的十年之内,生产制造苏-35S型战斗机。

  中国国际航空航天博览会(简称中国航展)是中国唯一由中央政府批准举办,以实物展示、贸易洽谈、学术交流和飞行表演为主要特征的国际性专业航空航天展览。于1996年开始举办,现已跻身于世界五大航展之列。(斯年

Does anyone think that the deal will fall through?
 

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Russia is ready to sell Su-35s to China!

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Does anyone think that the deal will fall through?

Here is Russia's very condescending sale's pitch. Its all typical Russian blustering and blaming their problems on others again.

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Russia keen to reopen talks on Su-33 fighter
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Moscow is wooing Beijing to resume negotiations on the purchase of Su-33 fighters for future Chinese aircraft carriers after talks collapsed last year, a Macau-based military researcher with strong PLA connections says.
Russia is keen to reopen the Su-33 production line after a 10-year hiatus but realises time could be running out after China successfully tested an indigenous carrier-capable fighter, the J-15, which many say is a copy of the Su-33, Macau International Military Association president Antony Wong Dong said, citing a mainland military insider.

A Russian military website said on Wednesday that Beijing was returning to the negotiating table with JSC Sukhoi, Russia's major aircraft producer, about a deal for Su-33 fighters capable of operating from China's first aircraft carrier.

Earlier reports said Russia had planned to sell China up to 50 Su-33 Flanker-D fighters.

"However, my military connection told me that China's indigenous J-15 successfully completed its first test flight on August 31 last year, which means China doesn't need to rely on the Su-33," Wong said.

Research and development of the J-15 formally began in 2006, after Beijing revealed it was planning to develop an aircraft carrier battle group.

"However, so far we don't know whether it is using the Chinese-made FWS-10A engine, or Russian-made turbo engines," Wong said. "It is an open secret that China's technology in aircraft engine development still does not compete with Russia's, and Russia threatened not to sell its engines to China early this year."

Russia also claims that China's J-series fighters - from the J-10 to the J-15 - are just inferior copies of Russian originals.

In July, Colonel Igor Korotchenko, a member of the Russian Defence Ministry's Public Council, cast doubt on the J-15's capabilities.

"The Chinese J-15 clone is unlikely to achieve the same performance characteristics as the Russian Su-33 carrier-based fighter, and I do not rule out the possibility that China could return to negotiations with Russia on the purchase of a substantial batch of Su-33s," Russian media quoted Korotchenko as saying.

Earlier reports said the deal to supply Su-33s collapsed due to China's request for an initial delivery of two aircraft for a "trial". China instead obtained an Su-33 prototype, the T-10K, from Ukraine for J-15 research. Wong said this week's Russian report had just reiterated Korotchenko's prediction in July, and told Beijing that Moscow's negotiating door was still open.

A Shanghai-based retired People's Liberation Army senior colonel familiar with Beijing's aircraft carrier project confirmed that the engine of the J-15 was still inferior to the Russian-made turbo engine. "The aircraft engine is the heart of a fighter jet, with Russia spending 20 years to develop its Su-33 engine," he said. "Buying Su-33s from Russia is possible, but not the first choice for Beijing because the timetable is quite tight."

Ni Lexiong , another Shanghai-based military expert, also said that aircraft engine technology had been China's fatal weakness.

"Our technology is still inferior and unstable just because our leadership spent only 600,000 yuan (HK$696,000) a year on engine research and development before 1990," he said. "But as aircraft play the key role on a carrier, and the engine is the heart of any plane, I think buying stable Su-33s is still another choice for us."

China plans to launch its first indigenous 48,000-tonne aircraft carrier, based on Russian models, in 2012, and to build up its first aircraft carrier battle group before 2015.
 

Roger604

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I would take that news with a grain of salt. Mainstream news is extremely poor at reporting military topics. Recent reports about a new fighter doing testing is probably the J-15. If the testing was not acceptable, the reports would not have come out. So the J-15 program should be on track and meeting expectations.

Other reports coming out from PLAAF show a positive reaction to FWS10, contradicting the statements in the article. The fact that J-11BS has been certified means PLAAF has full confidence in FWS10.

Overall, there is absolutely no reason to indulge sulking Russian suppliers with more orders. Not being under the mercy of these unreliable suppliers is reason enough to go domestic.
 

Semi-Lobster

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I would take that news with a grain of salt. Mainstream news is extremely poor at reporting military topics. Recent reports about a new fighter doing testing is probably the J-15. If the testing was not acceptable, the reports would not have come out. So the J-15 program should be on track and meeting expectations.

Other reports coming out from PLAAF show a positive reaction to FWS10, contradicting the statements in the article. The fact that J-11BS has been certified means PLAAF has full confidence in FWS10.

Overall, there is absolutely no reason to indulge sulking Russian suppliers with more orders. Not being under the mercy of these unreliable suppliers is reason enough to go domestic.

Indeed, the entire article I posted is highly dubious, and purposefully misleading. It almost reads like something out of RIA Novosti but ironically enough its from Hong Kong.
 

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Russia is ready to sell Su-35s to China!

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Does anyone think that the deal will fall through?

The Su-35 is a great fighter, but it isn't enough of an upgrade over the J-11B to warrant adding yet another variant to the long list of current projects the PLAAF has. I think this news is more of a sign of good progress for the PAKFA, it shows that the Russians are confident enough with its progress to export the Su-35, which would otherwise be it's top line fighter.
 

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Also even if the sale is real Russia would likely want china to buy past a certain number per deal. The su-33 fell through so this is likely to follow the same path.
 

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Any idea, where they are going to ???
 

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