China demographics thread.

sunnymaxi

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I agree.

Serbia, for instance, is a country of less than 7 million people that was engulfed by war not too long ago. However, it has a talented population so it excels at many things.

Serbia started participating in the International Math Olympiad in 2006 and it has already accumulated 16 gold medals. India started participating in 1989 and it has also accumulated 16 gold medals. The International Math Olympiad is not a random competition. IMO medalists are among the brightest minds in the world and 16 participants have gone on to win a Fields Medal.
genetics does play the role in overall development and innovations .. but its about culture and society as well. East Asian are different gravy as compared to South Asian. we just cannot compare.

How many countries/regions get industrialized in Post WWII era .. ??

literally only East Asians in entire world.. South Korea , China+Taiwan .... that's it

as of May, 2024.. what is the contribution of Asian , African and other people in innovation/Patent/research papers and Olympiads competitions ??

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india no doubt is doing really well but what is the ground reality ..??

65.7 percent indian Youth are jobless .. 83% of Jobless Indians Are Youth..


She is Palki Sharma. staunch Anti-China news anchor ..
 

FairAndUnbiased

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genetics does play the role in overall development and innovations .. but its about culture and society as well. East Asian are different gravy as compared to South Asian. we just cannot compare.

How many countries/regions get industrialized in Post WWII era .. ??

literally only East Asians in entire world.. South Korea , China+Taiwan .... that's it

as of May, 2024.. what is the contribution of Asian , African and other people in innovation/Patent/research papers and Olympiads competitions ??

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india no doubt is doing really well but what is the ground reality ..??

65.7 percent indian Youth are jobless .. 83% of Jobless Indians Are Youth..


She is Palki Sharma. staunch Anti-China news anchor ..
South Asians had many achievements during the coal based industrial era under British Empire like the scientists Chandresekhar and Raman. But with the decline of UK, Indian science also declined for some reason.
 

manqiangrexue

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Economic growth the last quarter
India: 8.4%
Taiwan 6.5%
China 5.3%
South Korea 3.4%
Japan 0.4%

Based on the data, perhaps East Asia should be asking themselves why they are not as successful as India.
If there were an answer, it would probably be the nutrients they gain from consuming copious amounts of bovine excrement. Since you feel it's valid, why don't you try it out yourself and see? For the rest of us who feel that your question is stupid, we'll be enjoying our steaks and beating the West while India talks about how they're actually part of the white brotherhood and will, in 6 years from now, not be shitting on the beach, but own white servants in an Indian mega-city city that bears a striking resemblance to Dubai.

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Note the numbers on the Y Axis, not just the pretty picture.
 
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doggydogdo

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Half of the world today has "strong governments", yet no similar results to show as East Asian countries have.

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And South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, even have much "weaker governments" than a majority of the African countries for example, and are classified as democracies, so I don't think this makes any sense.




The US gov. didn't give them anything. Instead, the US corporate class that controls the US gov. noticed the business opportunities there (due to the naturally intelligent, conscientiousness, agreeable, hardworking, high-skilled, and affordable labor force) and started investing there slowly and lobbied for exporting to the US to make more $$$.




But WHY, why did they invest in the first place, when others don't? There has to be some innate fundamental reason.

And you can't increase your fluid intelligence with education, you can only learn industry-specific skills/knowledge.




I think that they were 6th.

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The graph is literally wrong. gdp per capita for ussr in 1989 was 10k not 7.5k
 

didklmyself

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The graph is literally wrong. gdp per capita for ussr in 1989 was 10k not 7.5k
Also, strong government doesn't mean petty dictatorship with no motive except power retention. East Asian dictatorships/autocracies were planned rational, developmentalist. That might have to do with culture. It isn't like East Asia was particularly wealthy compared to ROW, their human capital was low too.
 

jli88

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That's not a good analogy. India is not a part of that cycle at all, and there are many legitimate reasons to be skeptical about India's future. Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and Vietnamese people are similar to each other, so the success of one suggests, but doesn't guarantee, that the others can also succeed. On the other hand, India has absolutely nothing to do with East Asia. Indians (not including northeastern Indians) are not even remotely related to East Asians because of the Himalayas. East Asia's success does not imply that India can succeed, although it may succeed in the future.

I have personally seen that even 10-15 years back, Koreans and Japanese, were arguing the same for Mainlanders. That the East Asian economic model that lifted Taiwan, HK, Singapore, Korea, and Japan would not work for Mainland, apparently due to a litany of reasons that they claimed.

As for India, the jury is out, but what is better, assuming that they do better or not? Can you really rely on your strength being premised on someone else's under performance?
 

azn_cyniq

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I have personally seen that even 10-15 years back, Koreans and Japanese, were arguing the same for Mainlanders. That the East Asian economic model that lifted Taiwan, HK, Singapore, Korea, and Japan would not work for Mainland, apparently due to a litany of reasons that they claimed.

As for India, the jury is out, but what is better, assuming that they do better or not? Can you really rely on your strength being premised on someone else's under performance?
Your analogy still isn't a good one. Japan and Korea doubting China is not the same as China doubting India. On the other hand, China doubting Vietnam would be analogous to Japan and Korea doubting China.

China's strength is not premised on India's underperformance...I'm not sure where you got that idea from. I am not assuming that India won't succeed. It's an educated guess.
 

Serb

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I have personally seen that even 10-15 years back, Koreans and Japanese, were arguing the same for Mainlanders. That the East Asian economic model that lifted Taiwan, HK, Singapore, Korea, and Japan would not work for Mainland, apparently due to a litany of reasons that they claimed.

As for India, the jury is out, but what is better, assuming that they do better or not? Can you really rely on your strength being premised on someone else's under performance?


It doesn't matter who debated what, how is that related to actual outcomes on the ground? Can someone arguing something change the reality and facts? Numbers literally tell you that India is not in that bracket.

Their gap with China, in absolute terms, is widening, and not narrowing, despite China already being in a totally different stage of development - a moderately developed country compared to India that picked way more of the low-hanging fruits that India could use, but it isn't.

India's economic growth is much slower than China's at a comparative stage in its development.

In this stage of development, India is currently finishing, China grew 3 times faster relatively as I posted on the previous page.

In the next five years, China will deliver over twice as much incremental growth per year as India, even if India's relative GDP growth is twice that of China.

Whereas China, Japan, South Korea, and others had pretty similar rates of growth in comparative stages of development, or China had higher.

How long it took India and China to grow their GDP from $1 trillion to $3 trillion, for example? China: 8 years (1998-2006) India: 15 years (2006-2021).

The gap is widening, and there is very little chance for India to develop, I feel that you should go over this thread, you have everything explained there:
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Your analogy still isn't a good one. Japan and Korea doubting China is not the same as China doubting India. On the other hand, China doubting Vietnam would be analogous to Japan and Korea doubting China.


Even Vietnam can't match China's speed of growth in comparative periods, not to mention India, lol...


 
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azn_cyniq

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It doesn't matter who debated what, how is that related to actual outcomes on the ground? Can someone arguing something change the reality and facts? Numbers literally tell you that India is not in that bracket.

Their gap with China, in absolute terms, is widening, and not narrowing, despite China already being in a totally different stage of development - a moderately developed country compared to India that picked way more of the low-hanging fruits that India could use, but it isn't.

India's economic growth is much slower than China's at a comparative stage in its development.

In this stage of development, India is currently finishing, China grew 4 times faster relatively as I posted on the previous page.

In the next five years, China will deliver over twice as much incremental growth per year as India, even if India's relative GDP growth is twice that of China.

Whereas China, Japan, South Korea, and others had pretty similar rates of growth in comparative stages of development, or China had higher.

How long it took India and China to grow their GDP from $1 trillion to $3 trillion, for example? China: 8 years (1998-2006) India: 15 years (2006-2021).

The gap is widening, and there is very little chance for India to develop, I feel that you should go over this thread, you have everything explained there:
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Even Vietnam can't match China's speed of growth in comparative periods, not to mention India, lol...


In my opinion, India has to fix its talent shortage before it can truly blossom. Software is supposed to be India's strong suit, so let's take a look at the number of Indians among the world's top programmers.

For those of you who don't know, codeforces.com is a website for competitive programmers. It is regarded as the most prestigious competitive programming community in the world. The top programmers on codeforces.com are not your run-of-the-mill FAANG software engineers. These guys start companies, conduct cutting edge research, and spearhead the development of new products at major corporations. I know a couple of guys who are among the top 10,000 programmers on codeforces.com and they're all making close to a million dollars a year at major trading firms.

Among the top 1,000 programmers on codeforces.com (
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310 are Chinese, 71 are Japanese, 68 are Russian, 37 are South Korean, 33 are American, 20 are Iranian, 20 are Polish, 20 are Taiwanese, and 9 are Indian. Even Hong Kong has more top 1000 programmers than India. Hong Kong has 11. India also has the most codeforces.com members by far. India has 66,891. China has 24,182.

Let's take a look at the International Olympiad in Informatics. This is a highly prestigious competition whose participants are among the best minds on the planet.

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India is not even close to the top.

My point is that when you go to the places where the most talented people gather, Indians are usually nowhere to be seen. They may be able to get jobs at major companies because of nepotism, but most of them are terrible employees and end up becoming useless (Price's Law). I've seen this firsthand.
 
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