China demographics thread.

[KYli]

Hows the enforcement on mail order brides in China these days. I know there won't be much official data but I would not be surprised if China has been loosely enforcing these rules these days.

How about single rural males that aren't in the border regions, is bringing mail order brides to them considered human trafficking? I'm thinking there can be programs that achieves similar results without the "human trafficking" stigma associated.

Mail brides have many moral issues. Many rural men paid $10,000 to $25,000 for matchmaking to arrange such marriage. The issue is that many of the mail brides might not have been willingly married those rural males. Either they know but were forced by their families or they don't know and were tricked by human traffickers.

Often, many of these mail brides might have involved in the human trafficking scheme themselves to defraud rural Chinese males by only marrying these men for weeks or months and then fled.

For towns that are bordered SEA nations, it is less likely to happen as such marriage would more often arrange across the border. For those that in central China or east coast, many of them would travel to Vietnam or SEA nations and meet up with potential brides and got married. However, there are a lot of frauds. Sometime, rural men just see pictures online or from matchmakers and agree with such arrangement and often such arrangement has the potential of human trafficking.

It doesn't matter if such arrangement is fraud or women got tricked or it is legally arrange, these women can escape and leave through calling police or seek helps through relatives in their countries by claiming they have been abducted and needed rescued. The result is the same. And the Chinese government has to send these young women back to their native countries.

In addition, sometime, even those who got into China in proper channel would marry and then flee and work illegally as prostitutes in China and earn money.

The best way is to have done this through proper and legal channel. First, rural males visit potential mail brides in SEA nations and spend sometime with them. Second, got married and applied for Q visa and bring them back to China. Third, don't give them permanent residency until many years. But if they want to leave, there is nothing you can do about it. Sometime, legitimate matchmakers would rearrange another mail bride without extra fee. However, if it is done properly, at least you don't have to deal with human trafficking issues that happened quick often that would force the Chinese government to get involved and crackdown.

 

[FriedRiceNSpice]

China's gender imbalance right now for prime age population is way above the 105:100 ratio and way above western countries, hence why China needs to import young woman. This problem should not be ignored, we're talking about tens of millions of single men for life.

You know, there are millions of single men for life in the US too (ie incels), even without a gender imbalance. In general, successful and productive men that contribute to society tend to get married, while the bulk of men that are single for life are not economically competitive. Would it be more beneficial to promote policies and encourage the more successful men to settle down and have more children, or to import brides for the least productive percentiles of men? I think it would be wise to try to avoid a "reverse eugenics" situation similar to what is happening in the US and many European countries.

 

[Abominable]

Historically there was always a gender imbalance men would die in wars, occupation deaths. There are a lot more men around now than at any point in the past.

One of the reason pretty much every culture in the world has a history of burning/drowning witches is because there were so many unmarried women around with nothing to do.

 

[KYli]

You know, there are millions of single men for life in the US too (ie incels), even without a gender imbalance. In general, successful and productive men that contribute to society tend to get married, while the bulk of men that are single for life are not economically competitive. Would it be more beneficial to promote policies and encourage the more successful men to settle down and have more children, or to import brides for the least productive percentiles of men? I think it would be wise to try to avoid a "reverse eugenics" situation similar to what is happening in the US and many European countries.

Many successful men simply don't want to marry or don't want to have children. There is nothing you can do about it because these men have money and resources and potential mate but decided against to start a family. It isn't just successful men but many men that simply think marriage is a graveyard for them. Not much government can do to change their mind.

As for rural males, many of them just don't have too many options and the government helping them would increase the chance that they got married and started a family and have kids.

I don't buy reverse eugenics. Many successful and very wealthy or highly educated Chinese today are just farmers or have parents that are farmers. Chinese civilization has taught us wealth don't go beyond three generations and never look down on poor young kids. It is in our blood that commoners can be Kings, barons, generals and ministers as we don't believe in eugenics. We don't believe in aristocrats and noble bloods. In our civilization, it is up to a man to thrive no matter what his background.

 

[tygyg1111]

You know, there are millions of single men for life in the US too (ie incels), even without a gender imbalance. In general, successful and productive men that contribute to society tend to get married, while the bulk of men that are single for life are not economically competitive. Would it be more beneficial to promote policies and encourage the more successful men to settle down and have more children, or to import brides for the least productive percentiles of men? I think it would be wise to try to avoid a "reverse eugenics" situation similar to what is happening in the US and many European countries.

Export them to western countries, via targeted advertisements and incentives. Too early right now, but once the overall competitiveness of the country rises, and these leftover men get a fighting chance overseas, they can and should leave in droves to those destinations.

 

[coolgod]

Export them to western countries, via targeted advertisements and incentives. Too early right now, but once the overall competitiveness of the country rises, and these leftover men get a fighting chance overseas, they can and should leave in droves to those destinations.

These "leftover" men barely want to leave China's countryside, I doubt they will go overseas. Regardless these single men in rural China are a current problem, not a 10-20 years in the future problem. We need them to get married and have a child now, they will be too old in 10-20 years.

 

[tygyg1111]

These "leftover" men barely want to leave China's countryside, I doubt they will go overseas. Regardless these single men in rural China are a current problem, not a 10-20 years in the future problem. We need them to get married and have a child now, they will be too old in 10-20 years.

I think the idea of "supermodel eastern / southern / other European women falling for Chinese farmers" coupled with "marry a farmer for a better life in China" would be highly appealing to both demographics in this group, however, just need to wait for the right conditions and use correct, coordinated messaging to massage it through.

In terms of background conditions, there will prob be several 'tranches' roughly around a few years to a decade apart as economic fortunes in Europe change with respect to conditions in China.

 

[KYli]

I think you would have better luck with those millions of divorcee females in China and convince them to remarry than pursuing international marriage.

 

[Jamie28]

Export them to western countries, via targeted advertisements and incentives. Too early right now, but once the overall competitiveness of the country rises, and these leftover men get a fighting chance overseas, they can and should leave in droves to those destinations.

Man you must really hate them to even think to export them to the racist hellhole called west.

 

[tygyg1111]

Man you must really hate them to even think to export them to the racist hellhole called west.

As countries become more dependent on China, their attitudes will change, for instance, Belarus.