China demographics thread.

Michael90

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China is either right on the border, or will pass, the World Bank defined nominal GDP per capita for high income country.

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More importantly, China already has exceeded the life expectancy of some certain developed countries, has lower maternal mortality than said certain developed countries, and is #1 in almost every product market.

Consumption of household durables like appliances has been saturated for decades - even in rural areas.

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So China is already à developed country then i suppose.
 

Biscuits

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Yes, but China is already facing this issue while not being a developed country yet.
By what metrics is it not a developed country?

To clarify, I don't mean it is developed because there's no more growth.

What I mean developed is in the terms that it has high income, advanced industrial + finance sector capability, world class medical and education system etc.

I'm aware that the economy is still booming and probably will go on doing so for decades. It is also imperative that even as developed economy, China keeps growing, because stagnation isn't good for any stage of development.
 

Eventine

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Isn't housing the biggest issue why young people are reluctant to get married?, Government would have to acquire all private players consolidate and make it a low profit socially focused enterprise like current high speed railways
Housing contributes, and switching the economy off of its addiction on real estate investment will be key to sustaining economic growth long term.

It will be painful, but all will be better off.

However, housing isn't the only factor. Housing in Japan is relatively cheap. TFR is still low, though not as terrible as South Korea and China.
 

Overbom

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Criminal negligence.
Fertility rate was 1.09 in 2022. That's even lower than Japan
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China's fertility rate drops to record low 1.09 in 2022- state media​

HONG KONG, Aug 15 (Reuters) - China's fertility rate is estimated to have dropped to a record low of 1.09 in 2022, the National Business Daily said on Tuesday, a figure likely to rattle authorities as they try to boost the country's declining number of new births.
The state-backed Daily said the figure from China's Population and Development Research Center put it as having the lowest fertility level among countries with a population of more than 100 million.
 

tokenanalyst

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Criminal negligence.
Fertility rate was 1.09 in 2022. That's even lower than Japan
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I think article was referring to UN study and reuters even manage to get that number wrong, was 1.17% not 1.09
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According to the "2022 World Population Prospects" released by the United Nations, in 2022, China's fertility rate will only be 1.175%.
Don't expect an apology from reuters

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still low, maybe they should favor people who has children over that ones who don't.
 

coolgod

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China should open the floodgates for female immigration. Make it easy for Chinese men to get mail order brides (and their proper Hukou/Citizenship) and at the same time open up immigration (via a points system) prioritizing young women.

This will delay the demographics problems for maybe a decade?
 

FairAndUnbiased

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China should open the floodgates for female immigration. Make it easy for Chinese men to get mail order brides (and their proper Hukou/Citizenship) and at the same time open up immigration (via a points system) prioritizing young women.

This will delay the demographics problems for maybe a decade?
this is pretty good idea. on the other hand, the Chinese government should help make Chinese men generally more attractive, and many laws can help. Unfortunately, the image of Chinese men (and women in many cases) in the abstract, is not good.

There are definitely laws that can make Chinese men far more attractive by removing negative stereotypes, especially because other Asian countries are not instituting these laws.
 

coolgod

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this is pretty good idea. on the other hand, the Chinese government should help make Chinese men generally more attractive, and many laws can help. Unfortunately, the image of Chinese men (and women in many cases) in the abstract, is not good.

There are definitely laws that can make Chinese men far more attractive by removing negative stereotypes, especially because other Asian countries are not instituting these laws.
What kind of laws do you have in mind? I'm drawing a blank here. I'm not sure the government needs to make Chinese men more attractive to sell on the global stage, we wouldn't want to replicate SK where you have kpop/kdrama fans moving to Korea only to find out Korean men are nothing like what they imagined.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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What kind of laws do you have in mind? I'm drawing a blank here. I'm not sure the government needs to make Chinese men more attractive to sell on the global stage, we wouldn't want to replicate SK where you have kpop/kdrama fans moving to Korea only to find out Korean men are nothing like what they imagined.
The image of Chinese is, using the most racist terms possible, is a short, dark skinned, bucktoothed godless gold digger infested by COVID that blowtorches dogs before eating them alive.

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A way to combat that is through simple, common sense legislation that's already in the works or has already been implemented locally, educate the public about facts relating to other countries, and promote local biotechnology.

1. pass the anti animal cruelty law that's been discussed since 2009. this would disarm both the rhetoric from the right wing ("Chinese are inferior dog eaters!") and the libs ("Chinese are cruel to animals!"). Shenzhen and Zhuhai already banned dog eating, and Jinhua banned a dog meat festival. The one who banned it in Jinhua, Cai Qi, is now in the PBSC.

2. strictly enforce the wildlife laws. get rid of the bear bile farms. It really makes Chinese look backwards and weird.

3. fund education for the foreign public about animal cruelty and disgusting eating habits in their 'Asian allies' and themselves as a contrast. Examples: running endless articles on how Koreans eat millions of dogs, Japanese eat whales and dolphins, Indians drink cow piss, etc. The west goes apeshit over this stuff but so far, they're directing it entirely towards China and giving Koreans/Japanese/Vietnamese/Indians a pass.

4. encourage local biotechnology companies to produce high tech, non-animal foods to prevent them from being monopolized by the west and to reduce dependency on western imports that fuel animal agriculture.

5. promote Chinese religions. For example, give scholarships to foreigners who want to study religion like Buddhism and Daoism in China (even if its Christianity, they'll be studying Chinese Christianity). It's not expensive and let's be honest, a foreigner that wants to study Chinese religions, is already halfway to becoming a self paid wumao.

Religion and values are things that people will actually change their minds for. Proof: China provides halal food everywhere, despite Muslims being <10% population. China has sufficient hard power to avoid overt coercion, so time to start playing the soft power game.
 
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