China demographics thread.

FangYuan

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That is so short sighted and bullocks. Granted it is a spectacular failure for men's football, but for all else it is very effective.
I wonder where our space industry would be without a certain Mr. Qiang Xue Sheng?
Remind me what happened the last time we shut the rest of the world out?
China closing the gap on US isn't due to the talent/immigration but more to do with the competing interests and corrupt system within that values profit over everything else.
I mean, the Chinese system isn't exactly perfect with some toxic culture such as 辈分 etc, and some sectors needs new blood from outside to inject new ideas and just stir the place up so meritocracy gets a chance again.
And it is not really a good idea to under estimate the US and the way it is set up. The system might be in a sorry state and its leadership right now might be pathetic but a skinny camel is still bigger than a horse. There are still many many brilliant people there plying their trade keeping the place afloat..... A true existential threat and not some bogus threat made up to buy votes will probably galvanize it again.
We have been cherry picking the good parts of the US and I don't see why they don't continue with global talents.

You are using a Minority Case to Prove for the Majority.

Your Example: Qian Xuesen - He Was Born and Raised in China, Studying and Working in the US, Then returned to China. It Is Not Similar To The US Issue, Where millions of Immigrants and many scientists and engineers around the ưorld move into the United States Every Year. It is Absolute Difference in Quantity and Quality.

- Qian Xuesen is the reason China should also receive millions of immigrants from the Middle East, South Asia, Africa, south America... like US?
- Qian Xuesen is the reason China should also receive the so-called "global talent" around the world like the US?


Remind me what happened the last time we shut the rest of the world out?
I am not against immigrants or global talents. I oppose the idea that China should receive immigrants and global talents with large quantities like the United States.


Finally, this is my article.

1. I do not deny the role of immigrants and global talents.

Global talents and immigrants are not an effective solution for all problems.

2. I am talking about the macro level.
The United States is the top choice of immigrants and scientists - engineers around the world, and that happens for many years.
But the gap between the United States and China continually shortened, not continuing to expand.(China relies on his own efforts and perseverance, not immigrants and global talents like the United States)
 
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Godzilla

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You are using a Minority Case to Prove for the Majority.

Your Example: Qian Xuesen - He Was Born and Raised in China, Studying and Working in the US, Then returned to China. It Is Not Similar To The US Issue, Where millions of Immigrants and many scientists and engineers around the ưorld move into the United States Every Year. It is Absolute Difference in Quantity and Quality.

- Qian Xuesen is the reason China should also receive millions of immigrants from the Middle East, South Asia, Africa, south America... like US?
- Qian Xuesen is the reason China should also receive the so-called "global talent" around the world like the US?



I am not against immigrants or global talents. I oppose the idea that China should receive immigrants and global talents with large quantities like the United States.


Finally, this is my article.

1. I do not deny the role of immigrants and global talents.


2. I am talking about the macro level.
Here is the thing. Like any HR would tell you, you don't know how someone will work out in your company until they start, cause everything they say in the interview is BS. You don't get to cherry pick all the guys that work out. For every success, you will probably have 50 duds and like 49 guys no better than the guys you replaced them with. In areas where China is behind or focused in, there is every reason to recruit experienced, talented individuals. I mean, aint that what the likes of Huawei and co are doing? offering scholarships in the universities. Having just a couple of those top guys will have way more impact than ten thousand ordinary clogs. i.e. if you do the same thing everyday, why would you expect different result?

Also, China's social security system and salary level isn't the same as Europe or US or Australia. It isn't going to attract those talents unless it goes out of its way to head hunt them.

Third, have you tried getting a work visa for China recently? I can tell you that its a bitch, harder than Japan or the US. You get your whole family line questioned and education validated, along with the usual company sponsorship and co. There aint no way its gonna get the numbers like in the US.

When we were growing up, China was poor, and we migrated to countries like Japan, US, Australia, UK to work and get ahead in life. The likes of Japan accepted us because the jobs we took were mostly menial jobs that the locals don't want, but some one has to do. Today, most of those positions have been replaced by people from Philippines, India, or Vietnamese or other 3rd world countries, while China is moving into similar positions like Japan etc back then. Eventually when the West and central China is rejuvenated, it'll run out of people wanting to do those crap jobs too. I don't see it as too far fetched for African/South East Asian/South American/ work force to end up in China working in those jobs, especially the countries in belt and road, having had contacts with Chinese companies abroad or trained by those Luban institutes etc. I also don't see why Chinese companies by then wouldn't offer residency etc for the good guys who wants to settle in China. End of the day, they will still be tiny minorities in China given how many ladders they have to climb, and makes for excellent cultural ambassadors and soft power projection. The second generation too, I mean, look at the success enjoyed by 2nd generation Chinese in the west in all the fields.

I waffle on a bit, but current economic climate and language barriers dictates that even if China wanted to, it won't be able to attract a million immigrant like the US, but the system allows it to filter to a much higher degree than the US. There is going to be a need for top of the class, and also a need for pawns in the future.
 

Abominable

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If China closes up then it means the US has free picking in a 5 billion large talent pool. I'm not saying throw open china's borders it's not like it really matters. Geopolitical and demography pressure will keep on reducing the options to take.

That why they had this saying about the Americans, Americans will choose the right option after having exhausted all other options first. The pressure to find a solution will always creep up the numbers don't lie. Even Japan of all places has become more open for Asian immigration.
Selective migration isn't going to help demographic problems though.
 

mzyw

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Have been watching this trend for a well. Has anyone asked the question why do people want children? What is the incentive? I keep on reading complaints after complaints of difficulties of looking after children but rarely read anything on motivations for people having children especially in developed countries.
 

gadgetcool5

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China’s family planning agency says it will ‘intervene’ in abortions for unmarried women, teens​


In a plan outlining key initiatives for the year, the China Family Planning Association said the intervention to reduce the number of abortions was to “improve reproductive health”. It said a task force would be set up for education and communication projects in this area, but no further details were given.

The plan, released in late January, also calls for a pilot public health programmes to encourage Chinese to have more than one child.

According to its plan, the association aims to tackle the problem through efforts to foster a “positive” family culture of marriage and multiple children. It aims to do this with education programmes, providing better prenatal and postnatal care, encouraging both parents to share childcare responsibility, and stamping out the traditional practice of grooms paying hefty “bride prices”.

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KYli

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At this point, they are only talking about preventing pregnancy among unmarried women and teens so they wouldn't need to do abortion which is detrimental to reproductive health. SCMP once again is using misleading and sensory title.
 
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