more like an errant on my part, I was referring to 50 there, but copied 84 in multiple places.
China Coast Guard and Patrol vessels
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more like an errant on my part, I was referring to 50 there, but copied 84 in multiple places.
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
bbc news says today that a Chinese warship used its fire control radar to lock on a Japanese maritime coast vessel
not good! wonder if it a order from higher command or a lone operator, if the latter then it would be distrubing, there was news that a naval helo pilot refused orders from home ship and flew near a Japan ship few months ago
theres a fine line between confrontation and using "lock-on" on measures, things can very easily get out of hand when you start using these tatics
not good! wonder if it a order from higher command or a lone operator, if the latter then it would be distrubing, there was news that a naval helo pilot refused orders from home ship and flew near a Japan ship few months ago
theres a fine line between confrontation and using "lock-on" on measures, things can very easily get out of hand when you start using these tatics
Whether or not a Chinese warship locked on a Japanese vessel would only be known by the Chinese and Japanese. Since both of them haven't mentioned anything about this supposed incident, I would like to call bullsh*t on BBC. They are known for sensationalist sabre-rattling headlines (think back to Tibet) and I find it hard to trust their exclusive article without the backing of other more reliable sources from Japan and China. Plus, I thought it was an unspoken precaution that no naval warships would be used to patrol those islands and only civilian agencies would be sent.
Regarding the incident of the helicopter, it is only RUMOURED that the pilot disobeyed an order; it could be just as likely that he was ordered to continue close-up surveillance of the Japanese ship or he was given permission by his captain to do as he saw fit.
vesicles
Colonel
Only a while back, Chinese soldiers had been accused of being too obedient and too rigid...
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Yeah I agreed BBC are bunch of idiots most of the time
During Cold War both sides were sensible enough not to get carried away, when you are using live fire situation you are playing a different game, you are then on the other side, it's really a last resort and any professional military will tell you that
During Cold War both sides were sensible enough not to get carried away, when you are using live fire situation you are playing a different game, you are then on the other side, it's really a last resort and any professional military will tell you that
joshuatree
Captain
A NY Times article states it happened on Jan 30th and Jan 19th per the Japanese protest but it was on a Japanese destroyer and a Japanese military helo for those respective dates at undisclosed locations. The Japanese defense minister said the fire control radar was directed at them. I'm no expert in radars but that sounds different than locking onto a target. Don't most modern fire control radars function as a search radar as well with track and scan functionality? How does one go about getting radar signatures off of opponent ships and planes? Don't they eventually have to take a reading off them?
The BBC article actually quotes something similar from the minister.
The BBC article actually quotes something similar from the minister.
Mysterre
Banned Idiot
One important thing to note is that a tracking radar is not always the fire control radar, though sometimes these are the same. For example, the Aegis system separates tracking and illumination into two different radars: the SPY-1 tracks the target while the SPG-62 (the actual FCR) illuminates it; the SPG-62 is actually slaved to the SPY-1 and has no independent tracking ability of its own. On the other hand, the Dutch APAR will track and illuminate (and scan) all at the same time. The difference is I believe not the mode (passive vs active) so much as the band (S-band vs X-band). You would think a radar that combines multiple functions would make the most sense, but in fact the APAR has to sacrifice range to achieve multifunctionality with its X-band radar, whereas the S-band SPY-1 has a much greater range, possibly on the order of 3 times greater than the APAR. That's why the APAR must be paired with the SMART-L for volume search purposes whereas the SPY-1 does not need a separate L-band VSR. This incidentally is one of the reasons why I keep a suspicion in the back of my mind that the 052C's AESA may be X-band rather than S-band.
Geographer
Junior Member
China is combining several of its five maritime law enforcement agencies under the National Oceanic Administration. Is NOA a Ministry-level department? It is a given that Fisheries Law Enforcement Command (FLEC), General Administration of Customs (GAC), and China Maritime Surveillance (CMS) will be moved because they are from weak parent agencies. But is the Ministry of Public Security willing to give up its Coast Guard? Is the Ministry of Transport, which a big winner in this latest restructuring because they are taking over the Ministry of Railways, willing to give up its Maritime Safety Administration (MSA)?