China Coast Guard and Patrol vessels

rhino123 said:

Second, so do you acknowledge that the Chinese are lacking behind in their equipments even up till now

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No, I do not acknowledge it. If China appear to lag behind in something, it is because they have something else that makes up for the apparent "lag", producing an overall position of non-lagging. This is why their cannon-less CG vessels is no less effective than the foreign vessels armed to the bridge with cannons. Also the reason their gong wielding peasant army was no less effective than the most technologically advanced army in the world armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons. Has the situation changed ? I don't think so. If there is a war now, you will find history will repeat itself because you just cannot comprehend how the Chinese characteristics allow China to fight in large part with just thinking and little else.

Can you not see it is foolish to say a 5 inch water cannon beats a 4 inch water cannon, therefore the nation with a 4 inch water cannon loses. It doesn't work like that with China as the current evidence is bearing this out. China will beat the crap out of your 10 inch water cannon with their 0 inch water cannon, and you won't know how they do it until too late. Perhaps like MacArthur, you'd beg for a nuclear powered water cannon for retaliation.

China worked out long ago it wasn't the weapons that won the war but something else. They know what that something else is, you don't. Who is really lagging, by a few thousand years ?

J-XX said:

Chinese characteristics mean that china will do things her own way and not become westernised or americanised.
China don't worship other countries like Japanese, Koreans and Indians that worship America.

China will stick to its own needs and preserve Chinese culture, tradition, values and history.

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Have you been to China recently? Go to Beijing and see how many people are carrying Apple products around.

ChinaGuy said:

Sure there is. Has the american been beaten back by gongs by anyone else ? That's known as Chinese characteristics. Just because you don't understand what Chinese characteristics is doesn't mean it doesn't exist

Here's more Chinese characteristics at play where their cannon-less CG continue to push back the water cannon and CISW armed foreign adversary:

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ChinaGuy said:

No, I do not acknowledge it. If China appear to lag behind in something, it is because they have something else that makes up for the apparent "lag", producing an overall position non-lagging. This is why their cannon-less CG vessels is no less effective than the foreign vessels armed to the bridge with cannons. Also the reason their gong wielding peasant army was no less effective than the most technologically advanced army in the world armed with nuclear weapons. Has the situation changed ? I don't think so. If there is a war now, you will find history will repeat itself because you just cannot comprehend how the Chinese characteristics allow China to fight in large part with just thinking and little else.

Can you not see it is foolish to say a 5 inch water cannon beats a 4 inch water cannon, therefore the nation with a 4 inch water cannon loses. It doesn't work like that with China. China will beat the crap out of your 10 inch water cannon with their 0 inch water cannon, and you won't know how they do it until too late. Perhaps like MacArthur, you'd beg for a nuclear water cannon for retaliation.

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It seems like there has been an injection of new members as a result of Liaoning launching, which is always great for our forum. We welcome new people join and share their thoughts on different topics regarding to the navy and other parts. But there are guidelines in this forum regarding quality of posts. You two seem to be propaganda machines from Mao era rather than anything else. If anyone says China is behind in something, you say, no they are not behind, by Chinese characteristics, they are ahead.

If Deng had followed your blindness rather than pursuing modernization, China would never have turned out as strong as it is today. I think it's kind of pointless to argue this further. We are seriously off topic. Anything further here will get deleted.

joshuatree said:

Yes but I was under the impression that after that last Jianghu transfer, they had stopped that practice as several factors converged.
1) Country's getting richer so they can afford to build all new.
2) Prestige with new hulls.
3) Shipyards having extra capacity due to drop in ship orders.

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I think if we look at Chinese Navy's new ship classes, there is a pattern of building 2 ships for evaluation before deciding on serial production. Perhaps the transfer of 2 jianghu and 2 Luda class ships to CG service is an evaluation or trial before deciding on transferring more ships in the future.

Delbert said:

I think it will be best if Chinese CG will be armed with CIWS. Together with Sonars and torpedoes for ASW... What do you guys think?

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Coast guard ships are usually built to lesser specs vs military ships and lightly armed. Thus ships like the MSA01 can be had for 350 million RMB (55.7 million USD). If you start building CG ships to expensive military specs and arnaments, then the ships cost will rise rapidly, resulting in fewer ships for your money.

Google for cost of US CG national security cutter for example. The 4th and 5th ships were priced at $480 million each, and the 6th ship has been estimated at $620 - $683 million. Due to the high costs USCG is only planning to buy 8 ships.

rhino123 said:

since you are impossible to talk to.

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I believe the word is 'jingoist'.

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New surveillance ship launched
Updated: 2012-10-16 21:52
(chinadaily.com.cn)

China launched a new marine surveillance ship on Oct 14 in Guangzhou, Guangdong province.

The 1,337-ton ship, Haijian 8002, is 79.9 meters long and can travel up to 5,000 nautical miles (9,260 km) without refueling.

The new ship will patrol the waters in East China's Fujian province for surveillance and law enforcement and to safeguard China's marine rights and interests, the Fujian Daily reported.

The report said the China Marine Surveillance under the State Oceanic Administration plans to build a total of 36 ships in 10 coastal provinces to strengthen the country's maritime forces on its waters.

The new ship, which was built in eight months, was the first of those to be put to use.


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I have included what the paper considered to be "Related Stories".

There are thirty-six cutters are being built at the moment. This list shows the type, cost and keel laying date for those vessels:

Tags: 600T cutters; 1000T cutters; 1500T cutters; CMS; Chinese Maritime Surveillance; cost of vessels; keel laying date of vessels; type of vessels;

Engineer said:

There are thirty-six cutters are being built at the moment. This list shows the type, cost and keel laying date for those vessels:

Tags: 600T cutters; 1000T cutters; 1500T cutters; CMS; Chinese Maritime Surveillance; cost of vessels; keel laying date of vessels; type of vessels;

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this is really interesting. The 600 t cutters are getting built in shipyards that we really don't normally monitor like the one in Tianjian, yellow sea, xi jiang and even chong qing.

I little visual of the new cutter..

tphuang said:

this is really interesting. The 600 t cutters are getting built in shipyards that we really don't normally monitor like the one in Tianjian, yellow sea, xi jiang and even chong qing.

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Well Xijiang should be on close watch because it did make 022s. Note the 36 cutters are all for provincial CMS divisions, not the national level CMS, so we may see another contract in the future, hopefully all large cutters.