China Coast Guard and Patrol vessels

Delbert said:

Do you have any sources that specifically says China will be deploying 5000t and 6000t ships in the coast guard?

For sure China can effectively patrol its sees.. But that will also alarm its neighbors. Would that possibly led to a shooting war?

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It's the future Coast Guard which is suppose to integrate all five branches of the current maritime law enforcement arrangement. Which means the 5000t MSA01 cutter to be delivered next year will be included in them, and those 6000t CRS ships will be included as well. Whether the future coast guard will equip more dedicated large displacement cutters is unknown right now.

USA surely wont be afraid.. But I don't think they've would want a war with a nuclear armed state.. Don't forget China might have Russia on their side in an event of a war with USA. It will be their best opportunity to bring down USA.

So in my opinion, I don't think USA would ever risk a full scale war with China.

The shooting war I am referring to was IF and ONLY IF Chinese CG would patrol DiaoYuTai on a regular basis. How would Japan react?

Delbert said:

USA surely wont be afraid.. But I don't think they've would want a war with a nuclear armed state.. Don't forget China might have Russia on their side in an event of a war with USA. It will be their best opportunity to bring down USA.

So in my opinion, I don't think USA would ever risk a full scale war with China.

The shooting war I am referring to was IF and ONLY IF Chinese CG would patrol DiaoYuTai on a regular basis. How would Japan react?

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No. China will not have Russia on their side, no one can have Russia on their side, look at it this way, during Korean War, when both China and North Korea are Russia's allies, the Russian did not really participate. In Vietnam War and subsequent Sino-Vietnam war, the Russian did not really participate too, other than provide weapons (for a price) to their ally.

In the event of a war (if there is one) of China with US and her ally, you can be sure that China will be alone in this one.

Anyway, you are correct to say that US would not want to go into an all out war with a nuclear armed state. Because desperate people would do desperate thing... so it is up to your imagination what China will do when she was on the verge of being defeated.

As to the scenario of Chinese CG patrolling the Diaoyutai water on regular basis, I believe the Japanese will not really react too much, not that they are afraid or what, they might make a few compliants, show some angry faces and the such, but will not really do anything, except, maybe spray water at intruding fishermen or CG.

Things will go haywire only if either side land on Diaoyutai and started building some permanent structures.

rhino123 said:

No. China will not have Russia on their side, no one can have Russia on their side, look at it this way, during Korean War, when both China and North Korea are Russia's allies, the Russian did not really participate. In Vietnam War and subsequent Sino-Vietnam war, the Russian did not really participate too, other than provide weapons (for a price) to their ally.

In the event of a war (if there is one) of China with US and her ally, you can be sure that China will be alone in this one.

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I think during the cold war era its a different scenario.. China wasn't really on an all out war. So no reason for the Soviets to launch a full scale war. They won't risk that too.. But they did provide China aircover by sending MIG-15's and their pilots, of which at that time China still has no airforce.

But I think this time would be different if China and USA was on a ALL OUT WAR...

Delbert said:

Chinese CG would patrol DiaoYuTai on a regular basis.

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They are and will. Although the western media won't tell you about it because it would be too embarrassing. When China say they will do this or that patrol regularly, then they will. It is what's known as a patrol with Chinese characteristics.

Delbert said:

USA surely wont be afraid.. But I don't think they've would want a war with a nuclear armed state..

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Then, they are afraid.

On the other hand, China demonstrated in the past they are not afraid of a war with a nuclear armed state. Just to make sure people got the message, they did it more than once and with different nuclear armed states. The art of war just cannot be beaten, not even with nuclear bombs.

ChinaGuy said:

My guess is they did, but it was't reported because of the bent in the western media. In any case, Chinese ships previously informed some suspected foreign vessels within China's territory that all communications must be in Chinese. Perhaps the Chinese ships didn't understand what the Japanese were saying because they probably didn't have crews on board who understood foreign languages while performing internal territorial patrols.

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Lets take it that way. I am not about to further derail this thread. I think I shall stop here. I have presented my point, you have yours Peace.

ChinaGuy said:

My guess is they did, but it was't reported because of the bent in the western media. In any case, Chinese ships previously informed some suspected foreign vessels within China's territory that all communications must be in Chinese. Perhaps the Chinese ships didn't understand what the Japanese were saying because they probably didn't have crews on board who understood foreign languages while performing internal territorial patrols.

As for why these Chinese ships didn't expel the suspected foreign vessels is probably to do with the fact it isn't their job. These ships are for surveying the marine environment for resources and so on, such as fish stock, locations of rocks, etc. The rocks around those islands need a lot of attention as they pose serious danger to Chinese shipping outbound for the western pacific. If these rocks take down a Chinese container ship, some people in the US will surely miss out on some brilliant bargains. That would be disastrous.

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That would be Chinese CG misunderstanding with Chinese characteristics and Chinese CG ineptitude with Chinese characteristics, amiright?

They are the ones that put this off topic.

I think it will be best if Chinese CG will be armed with CIWS. Together with Sonars and torpedoes for ASW... What do you guys think?

Delbert said:

They are the ones that put this off topic.

I think it will be best if Chinese CG will be armed with CIWS. Together with Sonars and torpedoes for ASW... What do you guys think?

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My opinion is to have powerful water cannons, sonar, UAVs, surveillance equipment. Due to the sensitivities, any firearms should be ones that are portable, lower caliber, and hidden away. Strictly defensive. Why? To play soft power and fight that propaganda charge of being a bully or aggressor, especially in the DYT scenario. It sucks but Chinese CG must take the first hit which could be fatal to provide solid grounds for any counteroffensive.

Any more firepower needed elsewhere such as actual anti-piracy or drug smuggling interdiction in the SCS, call in the 056s that will be patrolling. Like a commercial airliner, those ships are only useful when out there at sea. So there will be those lurking out there in the waters. To have them parked pier-side looking all pretty is a complete waste. They are designed as workhorses and need to be used as such.