China Coast Guard and Patrol vessels

131 Nanjing although has been in PLAN service for 35 years, but due to the rstricted deployment has relatively short sailing hour or mileage. Her only long distance deployment was to South Pacific in May 1980 for ICBM test.

Using DDG 105 Xian as comparison, Xian has clocked 147,000 km and 11,500 hours (480 days) at sea and at least 2 deployment to South Pacific for space launch rocket tests, DDG 131 likely clocked less than 400 days at sea in her 35 years service.

She definitely still has enough useful life as a stop gap CG ships, refit with new electronics, a couple of water canons, heli-deck, new engine and minus all missiles and gun turrets.


131 南京号，曾用弦号227。051型(旅大I级)驱逐舰，1970年12月上海中华造船厂开工制造，1973年12月下水，1977年2月6日服役于东海舰队。2012年09月26日舟山某军港码头举行退役仪式。
131 Nanjing entered service with ESF on 1977 Feb 6th

1980年5月参加南太平洋运载火箭飞行试验。
1980 May deployed to South Pacific for space rocket test

排水量：3250吨（标准），3670吨（满载）3250 ton standard, 3670 ton fully loaded.
主尺寸：长132米，宽12.8米，吃水4.6米 Length 132m, W 12.8m, draft 4.6m
主　机：2台锅炉， 2台蒸汽轮机，72000马力，双轴 Propulsion: 2 boilers, 2 steam turbine, 72000 hp
航　速：36节 Speed 36 knots
续航力：2970海里/18节。 Endurance 2970 nm/ 18 knot
编　制：280名（其中军官45名） 280 px (45 ranks)
武 器：反舰导弹：2座三联装“HY-1”导弹发射架 Weapons: 2 X 3 tubes HY-1 ASM
　　　　2座76式130毫米双管主炮 2 x 130mm twin barrel guns
　　　　4座61式37毫米双管舰炮 4 x 37mm twin barrel guns
　　　　4座61式25毫米双管舰炮 4 x 25mm twin barrel guns
　　　　2具2500型12管反潜火箭深弹发射器 2 x 12 tubes anti-submarine depth charge rocket launchers
　　　　深弹发射装置4座，深弹投放架2座 4 x depth charg launchers, 2 x depth charge drop-off racks.

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tphuang said:

i see it as China being cheap and not willing to let go of ships that they should. I don't think CMS wants these old ships because it adds a lot to the maintenance cost. It would much rather have new 3000 ton ships, but some bureaucrats just can't think straight. They are like if the ship can still operate, why not use it in a reduced patrolling capacity?

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I see it more of a gap filler to fulfill the immediate urgent need of CMS until some new vessels are being built.

But it surprises to me that China doesn't even have a coast guard to after more than 60 years of nation building.

well China has had more important issues to deal with rather than coast guard, before it was the Navy now as China goes Bluewater the Navy is no longer needed at home so now job is for coast guard

and maybe take a look at modern day Chinesea city to see what nation building is all about, if anyone knows how to do it its China

tch1972 said:

But it surprises to me that China doesn't even have a coast guard to after more than 60 years of nation building.

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China's coast guard was her brown water navy. Now that she is going blue she needs a dedicated organisation for coast guard duty.

tch1972 said:

I see it more of a gap filler to fulfill the immediate urgent need of CMS until some new vessels are being built.

But it surprises to me that China doesn't even have a coast guard to after more than 60 years of nation building.

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China does have coast guard but it's a recent thing and it's one of the five branches of maritime law enforcement agencies (MSA, CMS, FLEC, CCG, GAC). Combined China's maritime law enforcement capabilities is probably the third strongest after USCG and JCG. What's really lacking is a combined C&C structure, but that's not gonna happen until the different ministries where they belong can stop fighting for power and agreeing on a final solution.

hmmwv said:

New diesel engine, communication gear, video recorder, fish finder, UAV facilities, weapons change, quite extensive it turns out.

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interesting, that should make the ships better for operating and usage. The issues I thought won't be too bad after all.

tch1972 said:

I see it more of a gap filler to fulfill the immediate urgent need of CMS until some new vessels are being built.

But it surprises to me that China doesn't even have a coast guard to after more than 60 years of nation building.

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China has a huge maritime surveillance fleet. They've probably dedicated more resource than any other nation building it in the past 10 years. It's USCG that's having trouble getting it's older cutters replaced these days.

also, one should remember that a couple of years ago, they transferred on a retiring Jianghu ship to the Maritime Police department and a Type 037 to CMS. So, it's something they often do with decommissioned naval ships.

tphuang said:

China has a huge maritime surveillance fleet. They've probably dedicated more resource than any other nation building it in the past 10 years. It's USCG that's having trouble getting it's older cutters replaced these days.

also, one should remember that a couple of years ago, they transferred on a retiring Jianghu ship to the Maritime Police department and a Type 037 to CMS. So, it's something they often do with decommissioned naval ships.

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Yes but I was under the impression that after that last Jianghu transfer, they had stopped that practice as several factors converged.

1) Country's getting richer so they can afford to build all new.
2) Prestige with new hulls.
3) Shipyards having extra capacity due to drop in ship orders.

Does anyone know how many maritime surveillance vessels are over 3000 tons in displacement actually in service? I think this is a stopgap to increase the number in this category. One thing that has been apparent from the recent engagements out at sea, both the Chinese and Taiwanese CG vessels (I'll lump all the civilian agency vessels under the general category of CG to make discussion easier), tend to be smaller compared to the Japanese. What remains to be seen in these refits will be if they carry any armament at all or simply water cannons. It's a fine line because any self respecting CG vessel should have defensive armament but with so much media spin, anything but a vessel with water cannons will be painted as an "aggressor" which is hogwash.

joshuatree said:

Does anyone know how many maritime surveillance vessels are over 3000 tons in displacement actually in service?

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CMS 50 and CMS 83.

joshuatree said:

I think this is a stopgap to increase the number in this category. One thing that has been apparent from the recent engagements out at sea, both the Chinese and Taiwanese CG vessels (I'll lump all the civilian agency vessels under the general category of CG to make discussion easier), tend to be smaller compared to the Japanese. What remains to be seen in these refits will be if they carry any armament at all or simply water cannons. It's a fine line because any self respecting CG vessel should have defensive armament but with so much media spin, anything but a vessel with water cannons will be painted as an "aggressor" which is hogwash.

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I have not seen CMS ships carry water cannon.

Engineer said:

I have not seen CMS ships carry water cannon.

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China is not Taiwan. I don't think mainland Chinese ships are under threat from water cannons. Therefore counter measures are not necessary. Little countries would be careful in getting physical with bigger countries.