Still waiting for the 3 Gorges Dam to collapse, according to Taiwanese media.
China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread
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“A group of people who claim to be the true and legit descendent of the Chinese culture”, you're kidding. Well, I don't know who has been spreading the false info that the Taiwanese consider themselves descendant of Chinese culture. The truth is that they seems to be doing all they can to try to prove that they have no relations to China, even though they are appropriating everything Chinese. At least real Chinese people will NEVER be willing to associate with “自愿慰安妇”.
At the end of the day, such a situation cannot be resolved by anything short of force of arms, and why Shaka Zulu's old adage "never let an enemy escape, for they will only come back to strike at one's throat" remains true to this day.
AssassinsMace
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If someone says God doesn't exists, it's up to believers to prove God exists and up until then God doesn't exist.
Yes when the US says they score one hit with an interceptor, it was actually 100 tries and only one success. Until there's evidence otherwise, it must be true.
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Ah.. I do apologize for bring up Taiwan related stuff in this thread, but the news link just straight up triggered me pretty badly. I’ll keep my replies in this one post and that is that, no more Taiwan discussion from me at least.
@ougoah
Tbh man I do not think you are very familiar with the situation on the ground between China and Taiwan right now, this is probably because you don’t go on Chinese social media and news sites. I seem to remember you complain about the Indian public reaction to China after the Ladakh incident some time ago, and if you think the Indian public response to China is bad, it is nothing compared to what Taiwanese are doing on a daily basis. I remember reading a news where a bus full of mainlanders died in a traffic accident in Taiwan and the overwhelming Taiwanese response was celebration. @tupolevtu144 is not exaggerating any bit in his reply to your comment. Your personal experience with Taiwanese individuals means nothing, even Hitler treated his friends well in certain occasions, that doesn’t mean he will treat the Russians and Jews with sympathy. Furthermore, the integrity of a country’s mainstream media should never be evaluated by how many “accurate” reports they publish; instead, the quality of a country’s public discourse and reaction to vital events is the best measure of a nation’s media quality. This is because mainstream media shapes public opinion and guides discourse. For example, American media does publish good reports from time to time, but the American public’s knowledge on China related issue is extremely ill informed. Thus American media, at least on Chinese issues, are pretty biased and low quality. The same applies to Indian and Taiwanese media.
@tupolevtu144
I guess you truly are a gem, very few young Taiwanese are like you now, unless they still have close connection to mainland. It is just kind of sad that although you are probably one of the least biased type of Taiwanese on Chinese issues, what you consider as unbiased and accurate is still pretty biased on a objective scale. Understanding China today accurately in order to embrace its good, its bad and its ugly is no easy task, especially for descendants of Chinese outside of the mainland. There are quite a lot of uncomfortable implicit biases you need to overcome before you can “见山还是山，见水还是水”
@jimmyjames30x30
I’m surprised you didn’t catch my sarcasm.... we are basically talking about the same thing. The Taiwan is the real China bullshit is still pretty popular among many mainlanders and Western Chinese “experts”, I think this is a popular consensus produced by propaganda before the pro-independence Green Party took over Taiwan. I mean, it is kind of awkward to describe the entire situation in a few sentences since Taiwan is hard at work doing their 去中国化 stuff currently, but I always get this vibe that they are also appropriating Chinese culture like you said. I honestly don’t know how to frame it in words. It is pretty disgusting tbh.
Taiwan today is not merely a enemy like the KMT were prior to 49, to me, Taiwan represent that last piece of unresolved business in the century of humiliation, anything related to it echos on a personal level and touches my raw nerves. I am just glad that there are more and more assurances that the reunification will be completed during my lifetime.
@ougoah
Tbh man I do not think you are very familiar with the situation on the ground between China and Taiwan right now, this is probably because you don’t go on Chinese social media and news sites. I seem to remember you complain about the Indian public reaction to China after the Ladakh incident some time ago, and if you think the Indian public response to China is bad, it is nothing compared to what Taiwanese are doing on a daily basis. I remember reading a news where a bus full of mainlanders died in a traffic accident in Taiwan and the overwhelming Taiwanese response was celebration. @tupolevtu144 is not exaggerating any bit in his reply to your comment. Your personal experience with Taiwanese individuals means nothing, even Hitler treated his friends well in certain occasions, that doesn’t mean he will treat the Russians and Jews with sympathy. Furthermore, the integrity of a country’s mainstream media should never be evaluated by how many “accurate” reports they publish; instead, the quality of a country’s public discourse and reaction to vital events is the best measure of a nation’s media quality. This is because mainstream media shapes public opinion and guides discourse. For example, American media does publish good reports from time to time, but the American public’s knowledge on China related issue is extremely ill informed. Thus American media, at least on Chinese issues, are pretty biased and low quality. The same applies to Indian and Taiwanese media.
@tupolevtu144
I guess you truly are a gem, very few young Taiwanese are like you now, unless they still have close connection to mainland. It is just kind of sad that although you are probably one of the least biased type of Taiwanese on Chinese issues, what you consider as unbiased and accurate is still pretty biased on a objective scale. Understanding China today accurately in order to embrace its good, its bad and its ugly is no easy task, especially for descendants of Chinese outside of the mainland. There are quite a lot of uncomfortable implicit biases you need to overcome before you can “见山还是山，见水还是水”
@jimmyjames30x30
I’m surprised you didn’t catch my sarcasm.... we are basically talking about the same thing. The Taiwan is the real China bullshit is still pretty popular among many mainlanders and Western Chinese “experts”, I think this is a popular consensus produced by propaganda before the pro-independence Green Party took over Taiwan. I mean, it is kind of awkward to describe the entire situation in a few sentences since Taiwan is hard at work doing their 去中国化 stuff currently, but I always get this vibe that they are also appropriating Chinese culture like you said. I honestly don’t know how to frame it in words. It is pretty disgusting tbh.
Taiwan today is not merely a enemy like the KMT were prior to 49, to me, Taiwan represent that last piece of unresolved business in the century of humiliation, anything related to it echos on a personal level and touches my raw nerves. I am just glad that there are more and more assurances that the reunification will be completed during my lifetime.
AssassinsMace
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When the Taiwanese have to add two more missiles to the test to declare those failed, it's because the two actual tests were successful. Why didn't they declare they all failed instead of the two they made up which would be an absolute embarrassment for China? They know the two were successful because the US would report it if they failed and mock publicly like when Chinese space rockets fail but since they complained, they were successful. They informed the Taiwanese to which infuriated them so they had to lie about the two other tests they claimed happened.
Why do Americans tell China it would take them over four decades to master aircraft carriers? It's to discourage China from thinking of having them. Wouldn't they do the same if China failed with these ASBM tests? When it was first heard that China was developing ASBMs, they did that because the US couldn't do it so China would have no chance. Sort of stupid to tell China they're going to fail when they've already surpassed the US on it.
Why do Americans tell China it would take them over four decades to master aircraft carriers? It's to discourage China from thinking of having them. Wouldn't they do the same if China failed with these ASBM tests? When it was first heard that China was developing ASBMs, they did that because the US couldn't do it so China would have no chance. Sort of stupid to tell China they're going to fail when they've already surpassed the US on it.
Your mentality is also flawed in a way that you didn't really get the essence of Chinese philosophy. “同性相斥，异性相吸”，“阴阳和谐”。Two things of the same nature and same identity will either flock to the same herd, or be the worse enemies to each other.
I have always believed that one of the biggest threat to China is the fact that there exist two competing identities that claim the same entity, and they are nearly equally powerful. This is the case in the 1980s, when the KMT's Taiwan whole hearted believe that they have the legitimacy to claim all of China, and many "progressives" in China also believed that. And they admired the US way of life. At that point of time, the PRC was big and weak (有求于人，所以弱。有求于中美和解带来的经济发展和有效抗苏), ROC was small but strong (富裕先进，且发展成果有显著有显著优势，以汉民族主义为理论根基，对大陆民众很有诱惑力，所以强).
However, (figuratively speaking) God has blessed China by letting the DPP and Taiwan Independence crowd to emerge, and to dismantle and destroy that KMT identity. This restored the PRC as the only legitimate identity of China. In fact, "自愿慰安妇" doesn't hurt PRC a bit, it only worked to de-legitimize the ROC's claim over all of China. For China, this is good thing, because the civil war's battle of winning hearts will now ONLY be over the 23 million Taiwan Resident, since the ROC has de fecto given up any real chance of winning over the hearts of the mainlanders.
Militarily, it also greatly handicapped Taiwan's ability to threaten the Mainland. Because of de-sinolization (去中国化), the government of Taiwan no longer has the rhetoric and public opinion bases to mobilize the 23 million Taiwan residence for any meaningful strategically offensive campaign against the PRC, aka. something like the Retake Mainland campaign (反攻大陆计划). Taiwan is now securely locked in a purely defensive posture against the Mainland, while the Mainland have the flexibility to both offensive and defensive posture.
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Remember that oversea Chinese nationalism was actually aggressively promoted by ROC Taiwan and the elites in Hong Kong back in the late 1980s through to early 2000s. Do you really think that these are just because of nationalist sentiments? lol, no, my friend. Many of the "Protect Diaoyu Island" NGOs in the early 2000s were actually the same people that latter Led and participated in the Hong Kong Protests in the last 5-6 years. Don't look at this in a conspiracy point of view. Because there are much better reasons to explain them.
The truth is simple, those early time were the time when the Taiwanese, HKers, and Oversea Chinese actually thought that China is on the brink of color revolution similar to what happen in the "Revolution of 1989" in Europe (苏东剧变). They saw China as a big game to be taken over, and the wanted to be the future masters (compradors) of China. They saw themselves as leaders and futurists that will lead China "out of darkness". They saw China as their future wealth: the land mass, the population, the resources, the raw power.
They were promoting those Han Chinese nationalism and kinship because they want to use it to create their own herd and their own Empire out of this perceived huge heap of gold and treasure out of the dying communist empire.
Sadly for them, this dragon didn't die, it resurrected itself from the greed and lust of those fools. So now they realize they will never become masters, that they Empire will never be realized, and they themselves will simply become a non-significant part of this dragon. They turned against that early pretense of a Common Chinese Identity and Kinship and revolted.
I hope my story is vivid enough.
Hendrik_2000
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Yes come on guys enough with politic and do back to discussing missile
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