China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

[shanlung]

Of course, we are not really talking about a single carrier either. In a full war scenario, there will be 6+ carrier strike groups, dozens of submarines, hundreds of UAVs probing China's defenses for a weakness, with thousands of aircraft and missiles in reserve waiting to pounce. This will be first and foremost a clash of networks. The network which is able to gather more information, of better quality, process and act upon it quicker will have the initiative. I fear that China is not ready yet for such an uber fast-paced multi-theater conflict. The US has been developing and debugging its network-centric operations since the early 90s through actual wars, while China was only running simulations throughout that period.

Again, a LockMart illustration of network-centric warfare against BM saturation attacks:

The SM-3 missile sure is a marvel of engineering. 4 stage rocket, 2500km range, pin-point accuracy. No wonder it costs almost $20M per unit:

Did they use same kind of graphics and wowiee descriptions such as network -centric and overlapping defenses etc etc etc to sell to the Saudis how wonderful and absolute their Patriot and Aegis systems will bring down anything but everything KSA enemies be flying against them?

 

[shanlung]

Source?

I don’t think it’s that easy to that. This is a radar that looks into space for satellites and ballistic missiles. It’s an AESA radar, making it quite resilient to side lobe jamming.

They might have blinded it from observing aircraft deep into the mainland.

You dont think its that easy to that.

As if your thinking matters more than reality.

You quoted a paper as if that was from yesterday when in fact, that was from 2013
Your thinking to be to be trusted as gospel truth?

Jane's Defense Weekly think very differently from you.

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[Max Demian]

You dont think its that easy to that.

As if your thinking matters more than reality.

You quoted a paper as if that was from yesterday when in fact, that was from 2013
Your thinking to be to be trusted as gospel truth?

Jane's Defense Weekly think very differently from you.

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The article I posted just states the fact of an operational variant of a PAVE PAWS radar installed on Taiwan. It says nothing about jamming.

A simple application of geometry will illustrate that the mainlobe of a space pointed radar cannot be jammed by a terrestrial radar. Just like you cannot blind me with a flashlight if I am looking away.

What they can do is to jam the radar whenever it scans at angles low enough to detect aircraft.

Russia has installed similar radars in Kaliningrad and St Petersburg. Both just a few 10s of kms from NATO borders. Why would they do that if it was so easy to jam such a radar?

 

[Temstar]

What's the big deal, wouldn't that radar be top of the list for long range rocket artillery strike in the first wave? What are they going to do try to intercept rockets with surface to air missile?

 

[shanlung]

You dont think its that easy to that.

As if your thinking matters more than reality.

You quoted a paper as if that was from yesterday when in fact, that was from 2013
Your thinking to be to be trusted as gospel truth?

Jane's Defense Weekly think very differently from you.

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Even more on the jamming .
And jamming done on 2014 and that Taiwan PAVE PAW history since then.
And that was presented here as if PAVE PAW done yesterday.

That 2013 article in WIRED went hoity toity on how great and all mighty PAVE PAW was and how much they spend on what they thought the state of art technology which went bust the moment they turned that multi billion installation on.

Then Muricans acted as if nuthing but nuthing happened !
As embarrasing as the failure of their much touted Patriot and Aegis which cannot even take down, or even detect sub Mach slow poke missiles in whacking Saudi oil installations.

https://www.facebook.com/lovechinadream/posts/790199391013420

PAVE PAW in Taiwan as effective as the Patriot and Aegis in defending installations in KSA against attacks

And to date, USA and Saudi got no clue where those missiles came from, directions they heading, except they arrived with huge BANGS BANGS BANGS.

 

[Max Demian]

What's the big deal, wouldn't that radar be top of the list for long range rocket artillery strike in the first wave? What are they going to do try to intercept rockets with surface to air missile?

I think that the biggest value of that radar is its intelligence gathering capability during peacetime. Something much more useful to the Americans than the Taiwanese. But that’s how it is when you are vassalized.

Even if they are capable to jam it, it would be folly to advertise it. In that event, the other side could assume an attack is imminent and take irrevocable action leading to a major escalation.

 

[TD739]

Antiship ballistic missile has to be multiwarheaded. Before warheads descend atmosphere, a final update on carrier current position from satellite and calculation of projected possible position of carriers . It may go forward, turn left , right . The multiple warheads would be projected at those possible spots. More warheads means it cover more possible positions. After final calculations, warheads will be projected ahead accordingly in a very short span of time.

If each missile carry 10 warheads and two missiles will have 20 warheads and cover 20 different spots. It's very likely one or more warhead will be projected correctly and match the carriers new position.

 

[TD739]

Antiship ballistic missile has to be multiwarheaded. Before warheads descend atmosphere, a final update on carrier current position from satellite and calculation of projected possible position of carriers . It may go forward, turn left , right . The multiple warheads would be projected at those possible spots. More warheads means it cover more possible positions. After final calculations, warheads will be projected ahead accordingly in a very short span of time.

If each missile carry 10 warheads and two missiles will have 20 warheads and cover we20 different spots. It's very likely one or more warhead will be projected correctly and match the carriers new position.

Also once warheads entering atmosphere there won't be any more updates. Jamming won't affect them.

It's like a Russian roulette

 

[Anlsvrthng]

Antiship ballistic missile has to be multiwarheaded. Before warheads descend atmosphere, a final update on carrier current position from satellite and calculation of projected possible position of carriers . It may go forward, turn left , right . The multiple warheads would be projected at those possible spots. More warheads means it cover more possible positions. After final calculations, warheads will be projected ahead accordingly in a very short span of time.

If each missile carry 10 warheads and two missiles will have 20 warheads and cover 20 different spots. It's very likely one or more warhead will be projected correctly and match the carriers new position.

Carrier is 300*70 meters big, so one square km has a surface of 42 carrier.

The ship goes with 1 km/minute,and it can turn around in 3-5 minutes, so if the targeting data is 5 minutes old then the carrier can be in a 15 sqkm area, means you need 42*15=630 warhead.

Means if you have 20 warhead then the targeting data needs to be 1 minutes old or less.

 

[TD739]

Carrier is 300*70 meters big, so one square km has a surface of 42 carrier.

The ship goes with 1 km/minute,and it can turn around in 3-5 minutes, so if the targeting data is 5 minutes old then the carrier can be in a 15 sqkm area, means you need 42*15=630 warhead.

Means if you have 20 warhead then the targeting data needs to be 1 minutes old or less.

The warhead is traveling mach 10 or greater. It will descend the atmosphere very fast. You don't have that much time.

It based on AI prediction of the carrier position. It won't cover every single spot

By the way you may escape this missile but they keep coming. The carrier is locked in the game Russian roulette.

If missiles launched from inland like qinhai no way to intercept them at the ascend or beginning phase where the biggest chance of interception.