China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

[BoeingEngineer]

Liquid fueled is far more expensive to maintain than solid fueled.

Liquid fuel is deployed sparsely, meaning it needs more cost and personnel on communication instead of unmanned solid fuel launch facility. It is cheaper to deploy ICBMs collectively with terminal defense system to ensure survival rate. TLDR, solid fuel is cheaper to maintain.

Also it is still open to debate whether it is a good thing to increase warhead-missile rate. More warheads on a missile means more warheads to be destroyed in a first strike.

Do you agree with 9 dash line that nuclear war is imminent ?

 

[BoeingEngineer]

Honestly I don't quite understand the strategic thinking behind more liquid constructions.

More personnel and maintenance cost on them with less safety measurement. It makes much more sense to fill these "DF-5" silos with heavy solid ICBMs.

Perhaps time is urgent ?

 

[antiterror13]

If there's any truth to this then the bottleneck is launchers, not warheads (meaning fissile material availability). That would be interesting if true.

quite unlikely though

 

[Kalec]

An interesting ranking on official norinco bidding webpage.

Qingyang Chemical Industry Corporation, which is the sole producer of CL-20 and main producer of HMX, RDX, AP etc, has spent 46 million RMB on bidding in 2022.

Xi'an Modern Chemistry Research Institute, which is the largest solid propellant producer within norinco, has spent 29 million RMB on bidding.

 

[Strangelove]

DF-16...

 

[Broccoli]

Liquid fueled is far more expensive to maintain than solid fueled.

Liquid fuel is deployed sparsely, meaning it needs more cost and personnel on communication instead of unmanned solid fuel launch facility. It is cheaper to deploy ICBMs collectively with terminal defense system to ensure survival rate. TLDR, solid fuel is cheaper to maintain.

Also it is still open to debate whether it is a good thing to increase warhead-missile rate. More warheads on a missile means more warheads to be destroyed in a first strike.

Soviets mastered ampoule tech decades ago and that meant liquid-fueled ICBM/SLBM's could be stored up to 20 years without refueling or any special equipment needed at the silo or submarine.

 

[BoeingEngineer]

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Any updates on China's Early Warning System ?

Is it finished ?

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[taxiya]

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A report of the person who is key in solving the problem of infra-red target tracking for hypersonic missiles (ballistic and glider).

1. research into gas cooling of infra-red window.
2. optic characteristic of high temperature and high speed fluid.
3. testing and measurement equipments.

His work uses a hypersonic wind tunnel (gun tunnel).

I think this basically finishes the doubt of terminal guidance of AshBM or any hypersonic warhead.

 

[Will76]

Some wild rumours on hhfw. Don't want to say too much cuz I'm not tryna get one of the last forums banned. But they're indicating >46 DF-5 silos confirmed at this point + some stuff about a HQ-19 KEI being mass deployed. Anyone know how reliable this forum or individuals on it have been in the past?

They're also saying the reason more DF-5s are being built is to leverage the extra liquid fueled production capacity since solids are already being churned out & they want to add warheads as fast as possible.

Any more info?

 

[Kalec]

Silo update: the last 3 remaining shelters have been removed since August 24.

ALL construction shelters have been removed so far. I am still watching closely whether there will be additional new silos or new fields under construction. Hope GE can capture some missile loading photos as well.

Latest official newspaper suggests that new missile is still under development, but moving to "production-test" status in the coming years.