China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

[Suetham]

OMG the way they rebrand the weapon systems for alleged civilian purposes is priceless. Why not call the DF-41 ICBMs "unmanned large-scale solid fuel launch vehicle for outer space intercontinental cargo deliveries"

These designations are a way for a country to classify its military programs.

 

[taxiya]

OMG the way they rebrand the weapon systems for alleged civilian purposes is priceless. Why not call the DF-41 ICBMs "unmanned large-scale solid fuel launch vehicle for outer space intercontinental cargo deliveries"

Not why not, they always do. All ICBM and SLBM launch test were called "launch vehicle".

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In the article, all missiles are called "运载火箭" instead of "导弹". I remember being confused when JL-1 was launched from under water and wondered why launch a satellite from under water.

 

[clockwork]

OMG the way they rebrand the weapon systems for alleged civilian purposes is priceless. Why not call the DF-41 ICBMs "unmanned large-scale solid fuel launch vehicle for outer space intercontinental cargo deliveries"

It's been like that since the beginning.

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I read once that China was the only country to test firing a missile with a nuclear warhead and detonate

Untrue. Operation Dominic Frigate Bird 1962, Polaris SLBM. Soviets also did a bunch, like Test 219 (25 megatons)

 

[sferrin]

I was thinking more about systemic corruption. How many decades did the US waste with the Zumwalt boondoggle? That was pure corruption at every level. Now the US hopes its Wish.com Type 055 will be ready by the 2030s. Spoiler: it won't.

I WISH it were corruption. It was flat out stupidity. The USN is it's own worst enemy. The Zumwalt was designed from the beginning as the basis for the DDG and CG. All the USN had to do was execute and have a game plan. They did neither. Even today they could save it if they got their shit together but that window is rapidly closing.

 

[ChongqingHotPot92]

I WISH it were corruption. It was flat out stupidity. The USN is it's own worst enemy. The Zumwalt was designed from the beginning as the basis for the DDG and CG. All the USN had to do was execute and have a game plan. They did neither. Even today they could save it if they got their shit together but that window is rapidly closing.

I agree! The USN could at least provide the shells for the AGS onboard the Zumwalt.

 

[clockwork]

Anyone know where to get a digital copy of this or something? I want to read the article

 

[56860]

It is known that corruption is common in China but the CPC also has a reputation for getting things done. Sometimes the CPC is so successful that people find it hard to believe.
Uncomfortable question for Western pundits: What if the CPC handled the PLA as well as it handled Covid-19?

They won't get to that point. Most western pundits believe Chyna lied about their COVID numbers and 90% of the population is dead. All those videos you see in Chyna of crowds partying without masks and social distancing are super advanced deepfakes.

 

[sferrin]

They won't get to that point. Most western pundits believe Chyna lied about their COVID numbers and 90% of the population is dead.

Nobody believes that.

 

[Broccoli]

The 575 warhead is a 150kt warhead meant for the DF-41 and other future strategic weapons. However, what I am saying is that compared to the 360-470kg 535 warhead, the 575 is much lighter (albeit having a much smaller yield), so it would be a good fit for the Silo-based DF-31s in order to ensure that the DF-31s were able to cover the entire CONUS.

Late for the party.

China's final test series before ceasing testing included 5x90kt detonations what many have thought to have been full yield tests of compact warhead for future missiles and some others claim those were DF-31 primary tests. Everything i've read makes me believe first option is factual because 90kt yield for primary is too big (usually it's around 10-30kt), but if latter option was true it would mean DF-31 warheads primary has almost same yield as whole W76 explosive power... that would be very uncommon.

 

[ChongqingHotPot92]

Late for the party.

China's final test series before ceasing testing included 5x90kt detonations what many have thought to have been full yield tests of compact warhead for future missiles and some others claim those were DF-31 primary tests. Everything i've read makes me believe first option is factual because 90kt yield for primary is too big (usually it's around 10-30kt), but if latter option was true it would mean DF-31 warheads primary has almost same yield as whole W76 explosive power... that would be very uncommon.

I though the DF-31 warhead was fully tested by 1992. All tests after that were meant for future strategic (and possibly tactical) weapons? Also, why would a 90kt primary be too big? I am asking because if the DF-41 warheads only have yields of 90kt, these warhead would be highly insufficient in hitting cities that are relatively spread-out, like those of North America.