China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

[Andy1974]

Ah, this is true.

Why?

Because you dont want to litter the SCS with exploded nuclear reactors. It could destroy the eco-system.

If you sink a carrier, the USA will not replace it with a new carrier, it will be replaced with something much more survivable.

If you mission kill it, then the USA will have to repair it, or deal with it somehow, taking up valuable resources (e.g. dry docks) and manpower.

Also, minimizing lives lost will reduce the likelihood of an overwhelming (nuclear?) US response.

By the way, when the US was “double-pumping” carrier deployments earlier this year, I thought it was with the intention of having the carriers most in need of maintenance to be on the front line of a manufactured war, it would solve a lot of problems for the USN if these carriers were the ones destroyed.

 

[MwRYum]

sadly, that's basically the west public's cognitive level. Hope the governments can be smarter to avoid triggering nuclear war.

Populist politik basically guarantee the quality of leadership not much higher than the public that voted them into office.

I guess it won't be cheap. I remember China has tested ASBM on retired ships. I think this one will be definitely much cheaper than real ships. Besides, retired ships cannot move as fast as real carriers, but this one can.

The problem is that China doesn't have retired ship(s) that's comparable in size and ran as fast as CVN even at flank speed. Plus, doing it in coastal waters only invite snooping flights inbound from Okinawa or Guam or Singapore; whereas a land-based setup (which China has plenty of flat open space at the northwest region) can be done to the full extent of China's wishes, and without plying eyes...

 

[MwRYum]

Because you dont want to litter the SCS with exploded nuclear reactors. It could destroy the eco-system.

If you sink a carrier, the USA will not replace it with a new carrier, it will be replaced with something much more survivable.

If you mission kill it, then the USA will have to repair it, or deal with it somehow, taking up valuable resources (e.g. dry docks) and manpower.

Also, minimizing lives lost will reduce the likelihood of an overwhelming (nuclear?) US response.

By the way, when the US was “double-pumping” carrier deployments earlier this year, I thought it was with the intention of having the carriers most in need of maintenance to be on the front line of a manufactured war, it would solve a lot of problems for the USN if these carriers were the ones destroyed.

Odds are, Kaga or Canberra be the first victim of ABSM is far higher than that of USN CVNs, for Japan and Australia are very eager for war against China, lest you forget ScoMo pledged to go to war against China...

 

[drowingfish]

DF-17 production is what is driving the expansion in total MRBM numbers. 3/4 brigades so far...
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was under the impression that DF-17 is grouped under SRBM. if not then what accounts for the increase in SRBM numbers？

 

[Richard Santos]

If there is a war with china involving australia, Japan and the US, it seems extremely unlikely the minor powers would send their assets ahead to be blown up first.

In any wars, how well the participating powers emerge from the conflict tends to be proportional to size and effectiveness of forces they have at the end, not the eagerness with which they commit their forces in the beginning. So even if Australia Japan US side wins the conflict, australia and japan would be likely get get little out of these for their sacrifices if their main assets are blown up at the beginning of the war.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Because you dont want to litter the SCS with exploded nuclear reactors. It could destroy the eco-system.

If you sink a carrier, the USA will not replace it with a new carrier, it will be replaced with something much more survivable.

If you mission kill it, then the USA will have to repair it, or deal with it somehow, taking up valuable resources (e.g. dry docks) and manpower.

Also, minimizing lives lost will reduce the likelihood of an overwhelming (nuclear?) US response.

By the way, when the US was “double-pumping” carrier deployments earlier this year, I thought it was with the intention of having the carriers most in need of maintenance to be on the front line of a manufactured war, it would solve a lot of problems for the USN if these carriers were the ones destroyed.

If their carrier is sunk then they have no mechanism for an "overwhelming response" unless they want to lose another 8-9 carriers.

If they want to go nuclear and see the oldest modern democracy and all of Anglo civilization reduced to dust, that is acceptable too, but I somehow don't think those who believe themselves to be exceptional will want to trade 1 for 1 or even 1 for 5 in lives and civilizations with those they deem inferior.

 

[Michaelsinodef]

If their carrier is sunk then they have no mechanism for an "overwhelming response" unless they want to lose another 8-9 carriers.

If they want to go nuclear and see the oldest modern democracy and all of Anglo civilization reduced to dust, that is acceptable too, but I somehow don't think those who believe themselves to be exceptional will want to trade 1 for 1 or even 1 for 5 in lives and civilizations with those they deem inferior.

I don't think the elite/burquoise even care about the lives of regular people, with that said, they would also be severely affected by a nuclear exchange.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

A documentary of the great underground nuclear wall of China How they built it in English

 

[Hendrik_2000]

Now E3 mockup is identified in the dessert

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China Is Using E-3 Sentry Mockups For Targets On Its Ballistic Missile Impact Range​

The U.S. Air Force's E-3s would be at the top of China's target list should a conflict erupt between it and the United States.​

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expanse that emulate American warships has added to the pile.

Many of these revelations came via the use of satellite imagery. What was the niche of just a few of us OSINT (Open Source Intelligence)-focused reporters has become a race to identify anything new pertaining to China's military developmental activities via spacial imaging—for better or worse. Some of these 'discoveries' are far more mundane or even misanalyzed than others, but more eyes on the case are always better than less. Now, we would like to add another entry to this ongoing public space imaging intel feeding frenzy—China's apparent use of two

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(AWACS) mockups on its impact range used for testing advanced missile technology.

 

[Temstar]

Now E3 mockup is identified in the dessert

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China Is Using E-3 Sentry Mockups For Targets On Its Ballistic Missile Impact Range​

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expanse that emulate American warships has added to the pile.

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(AWACS) mockups on its impact range used for testing advanced missile technology.

This should be part of test to see if DF missile could hit time sensitive targets such as aircrafts at airfields before they move, similar to this test earlier this year:


This sort of thing might be useful in countering USAF's Agile Combat Employment concept. If I can hit time sensitive targets all over the western pacific then what good is ACE. Imagine dispersing out of Guam and having DF missiles reaching the remote small airfields before the aircraft do, leaving them without a place to land.