China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

[Sardaukar20]

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Hi Xijin's opinion piece on the Chinese missile silo story. Basically he is neither confirming nor denying that it's true or false. But he did lay out some facts to dig at the Washington Post.

It's unknown if the construction sites mentioned by the Washington Post are really silos for intercontinental ballistic missiles. But I must say that Lewis is an amateur. In reality, DF-41 is solid-fueled road-mobile intercontinental ballistic missile and one of its biggest advantages is its mobility and vitality. There is no point to put it inside a silo. Lewis may not understand the basic features of DF-41 before shooting off his mouth at the media.

Hu Xijin does not deny that silos do have a role to play in China's nuclear arsenal. They are for the larger, non-road mobile missiles like the DF-5. In fact silos are often built with decoys.

Silos are of course very important. They can store high-thrust liquid-fuel intercontinental missiles and carry higher-yield nuclear warheads. Silos are an important part of the nuclear power of major powers. China certainly has reasons to build them. However, real silos are often built at the same time as decoy silos. The actual distribution of silos is a top secret of nuclear powers.

Hu Xijin believes this Washington Post news is meant to scare monger to the world about China's nuclear arsenal. With that, the US hopes to put pressure on China to restraint its nuclear buildup. But China's (and every country's) nuclear force is supposed to be a top secret thing, so it's none of America's business!

I believe Washington Post produced the report in cooperation with US think tank with the aim to put pressure on China. It wanted to force China to issue a statement regarding its nuclear plan and squeeze the room for China's nuclear development through public opinion pressure. I suggest the Chinese side ignore this report and other similar reports in Western media. China should neither confirm nor deny such "revelation" and let the Western media imagine it. This is what nuclear deterrent means. By doing so China will smash any US attempt to suppress China's nuclear capacity building.

 

[Richard Santos]

In the 1970s, the US toyed with the idea of interconnecting systems of MX missile silos with system underground tunnels in a deploy,ent scheme called the race track. That allow missiles to be moved underground from silo to silo, So from outside there would be no telling which silo the missile is in today.

The system also had only one entrance per race track. This way it allows the soviets to verify how many missiles have entered the tunnel system so as to allow existing arms limitation regime to be enforced, yet still does not allow the actually location of the missile to be determined form the outside.

 

[Sleepyjam]

You don’t know how deep the bedrock is yet you know it is “definitely” possible?

The erosional debris apron is massive and extends 20 miles from the foot of the hill. The typical slop of such aprons are form 2-20 degrees. The smooth deposition surface with no bed rock outcropping at all suggest the countour of the bedrock does not follow the slope of the apron so the depth of the sediment in the aprons thickens towards the hills. So even if the deposit in the apron is very mobile so the apron slope is very shallow, the loose deposit can still be up to 3000 feet thick near the base of the hill

You have no idea what you are talking about. You have zero source to support your arguments. Lol where is did you get 3000 feet of thick deposit? Please show me the source that says the bedrock near Yumen city is anywhere near 3000 feet. Depth to the bedrock can vary even in a small area nobody but insiders would know the exact depth but it’s definitely possible or are you saying it’s impossible to build?

 

[Sardaukar20]

Personally I would agree with China if it were to build more missile silos, real or decoy. It is the lowest hanging fruit today for it to dramatically build up its nuclear deterrence force.

Let the US elites moan and scream in outrage. For it is Chinese nukes that truly scares them. Let them have to think about those extra new hidden DF-5s while they think about their warplans with China.

Next step is to add-on new DF-41s, and JL-3s on the list for them to worry about. The longer this list is, the closer China gets to ensuring that it can continue its peaceful development.

 

[Jiang ZeminFanboy]

Personally I would agree with China if it were to build more missile silos, real or decoy. It is the lowest hanging fruit today for it to dramatically build up its nuclear deterrence force.

Let the US elites moan and scream in outrage. For it is Chinese nukes that truly scares them. Let them have to think about those extra new hidden DF-5s while they think about their warplans with China.

Next step is to add-on new DF-41s, and JL-3s on the list for them to worry about. The longer this list is, the closer China gets to ensuring that it can continue its peaceful development.

New missile for new sillos?

 

[r41]

CNN analysis of new silos

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Heath, from the RAND Corporation, said the new missile field, which increases China's ability to withstand a nuclear strike and retaliate, could have implications for US allies and partners in Asia, who have been able to find cover under the US nuclear umbrella.
"The possibility of escalation becomes much more dangerous now,

 

[plawolf]

This whole missile silos in the desert hype is making me think of that time back in the 60s when the CIA and pentagon shat a ton of bricks when they suddenly discovered thousands of ‘missile silos’ in southern China from satellite imagery, which all turned out to be traditional Tulou buildings.

Right now all we have are plastic tents in the desert. Could be missile silos, could be wind turbines, could be Walter White cooking more meth.

Best not get too excited until we know what is actually under the tents at least.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

Why would China need another type for silo based, what the difference or improvement over DF-41 ?

The missile can be much larger, heavier, and simpler since it doesn't have to be operationally mobile; that greatly increases its throw weight and reduces its cost. The DF-41 is a 50-60 ton missile, while the DF-45 is an 80+ ton missile. For comparison, the "consensus" is that the DF-41 can field three 650 kiloton warheads, while the DF-45 can field double that. You can get a lot more performance and savings out of the missile if you remove the mobility constraint.

If I remember correctly, that place is a desert national park, but there is actually a few tourist places very close by.

Okay, the place makes for a good wind farm. Doesn't mean it doesn't also make for a good ICBM silo farm.

Right now all we have are plastic tents in the desert. Could be missile silos, could be wind turbines, could be Walter White cooking more meth.

There are pictures of the structures underneath the tents.

 

[plawolf]

This whole wind farm possibly goes me some ideas for some trolling of the CIA and Pentagon if China wants to.

It can build one missile silo under total secrecy, install a wind turbine on top with a concrete base just big enough to cover a standard set of ICBM silo blast doors.

Do all the other wind turbines in the farm to the same timeframe and with the same opsec security measures but in a suspiciously ICBM like pattern.

Make that the standard for all new wind turbines in all remote locations in China.

Create a new Facebook account for a Chinese kid who will be studying overseas and have said kid post regularly for 3-4 years while studying abroad.

Then have said account upload a drone video of the one actual missile silo with the wind turbine rotated out of the way and the missile visible.

Stop all activity on the FB account and submit a formal information removal request to FB on national security grounds, do a clumsy cyber attack on FB servers as well for good measure and sit back and lol as the CIA and Pentagon goes apeshit when FB flags the video to them and they start to map every new wind turbine in remote parts of China.

 

[Temstar]

This whole missile silos in the desert hype is making me think of that time back in the 60s when the CIA and pentagon shat a ton of bricks when they suddenly discovered thousands of ‘missile silos’ in southern China from satellite imagery, which all turned out to be traditional Tulou buildings.

Right now all we have are plastic tents in the desert. Could be missile silos, could be wind turbines, could be Walter White cooking more meth.

Best not get too excited until we know what is actually under the tents at least.

I've been to several Tulou a few years ago on a tour and if there were silos that are that size they would be housing Saturn V sized ICBMs. You could nuke Mars with a launch vehicle that size. Did CIA really make that mistake?