China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

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ZeEa5KPul

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How strange it is coinciding with all these new silos being constructed. Decoy silos or real, who knows. Now this rumour.

Can you ask your source how difficult it is to make warheads small enough to fit onto HGVs which fit into long range ICBMs and SLBMs? :p

They can already do single HGV on MRBM. If an HGV carrying warhead can be used on IRBM, it would pretty much take it to ICBM target ranges with HGV itself flying a fair bit of the closing distance well within the atmosphere. I think that's the ultimate deterrence goal for nuclear, missile mounted HGVs.
China's warhead miniaturization is understandably a murky subject. I've asked him about it, but to be honest I don't expect a concrete answer from him. It's unlikely he knows those kinds of specifics and if he does, he's certainly not going to share it. Still, he might share broad strokes so it can't hurt to try.

My own feeling is that physical nuclear testing is no longer necessary. I think one of the reasons the CTBT passed was because the signatories felt that they could make progress on their warhead designs by simulation and subnuclear detonation tests, and any slowdown in development as a result of not fully testing nuclear devices was small enough to be worth the nonproliferation gain.

There's also the issue of possible Russian cooperation. In my view, Russia secretly helping China improve and expand its nuclear arsenal advances its interest since it puts pressure on the US without Russia violating START or Russia having to go through the expense of engaging in an arms race itself.
 

Broccoli

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I wonder what type of missiles they put on those as it was reported years ago that DF-31 series was also tested in silo deployment. Would be interesting know how much cheaper single-warhead DF-31A/B/C is when compared to DF-41 with similar payload.
 

james smith esq

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Hope they are planning for more than 145 and all of them will have missile, not just try to hide a relatively small number of warheads across a network of silos
145 silos, each armed with a MIRV capable, 12000 km-ranged, ICBM, and matched with an equal number of road-mobile DF41s would probably be sufficient for a ground-based deterrent.
 

Richard Santos

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Hope they are planning for more than 145 and all of them will have missile, not just try to hide a relatively small number of warheads across a network of silos

The geologist in me doesn’t believe this Washington post story, at least not the photographic evidence. The photo clearly shows the erosional debris apron at the bottom of a low range of hills with a conspicuous out wash alluvial fan,. The photo superimposes missile symbols all over the debris apron and alluvial van. Would you build missile silos in loose Unconsolidated debris aprons and out wash deposits?
 
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daifo

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The geologist in me doesn’t believe this Washington post story, at least not the photographic evidence. The photo clearly shows the erosional debris apron at the bottom of a low range of hills with a conspicuous out wash alluvial fan,. The photo superimposes missile symbols all over the debris apron and alluvial van. Would you build missile silos in loose Unconsolidated debris aprons and out wash deposits?

some dude on reddit said people from yunen on weibo are saying its construction for a wind farm
 

AssassinsMace

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Remember the Kosovo War. Even though the US suspected armor on the ground were decoys, that had to hit them anyway just in case. How many decoy silos can China make all over inner Mongolia?
 

Godzilla

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some dude on reddit said people from yunen on weibo are saying its construction for a wind farm
The engineer in me says that its probably more something for bio gas. You wouldn't be erecting those plastic looking tents in summer for the wind farm foundations.
Just my guess, given the geographic location, and recent environmental laws, I suspect its more of some kind of biogas facility, designed to get rid of the waste 秸秆 that is produced in that area in Summer/Autumn times. They usually burn it creating lots of pollutants, but that practice is now banned. They had some pilot plant for a bio gasification facility built there around 5 years ago, so no reason why not to try the anaerobic digesters to get rid of these wastes too? After all, these stuff are all in the rage lately, especially with subsidies. Plus there is an existing oil and gas facility in town by CNPC for these gas to go to.....
 
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