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China conducts rare flight test of new submarine-launched missile
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BY: Bill Gertz
August 21, 2012 5:00 am

China’s military conducted a flight test of a new submarine-launched ballistic missile last week, a launch that came a month after the test of a new multiple-warhead, ground-mobile missile, the Free Beacon has learned.

The flight test of the new JL-2 missile took place Thursday morning from a new Jin-class ballistic missile submarine on patrol in the Bohai Sea, near the coast of northeastern China west of the Korean peninsula, said U.S. officials.

A Defense Intelligence Agency spokesman declined to comment on the test.

One official said the new JL-2 represents a “potential first strike” nuclear missile in China’s growing arsenal.

The submarine missile firing followed the July 24 test launch of China’s new DF-41 road-mobile ICBM that is assessed to carry multiple independently targetable re-entry vehicles, or MIRVs.

The July 24 DF-41 test was the first of the new long-range ICBM that until the test had been shrouded in secrecy.

The DF-41 at one time was assessed to have been downgraded into a shorter-range DF-31A missile. However, two years ago the Pentagon began identifying a new, longer-range road-mobile ICBM in development that officials now say is the DF-41.

Published reports from China support internal U.S. government reports about the JL-2 submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) flight test.

China’s Shenzhen television reported Aug. 8 and 9 that a Jin-class missile submarine departed on a sea patrol equipped with JL-2 missiles, but made no mention of plans for a missile test. The television report quoted a Chinese military commentator as saying, “According to the Pentagon, the PLA has not been able to launch a SLBM yet.”

Then, on Aug. 13, Liaoning Province Maritime Safety Administration published a “navigation warning” that military exercises would take place in the Bohai Strait on Aug. 16 and 17, and warned ships to avoid the area.

Officials said the closure area was used by the submarine for the JL-2 launch.

Additionally, a Chinese military blogger posted a report Sunday stating that a JL-2 had been successfully tested. One online Chinese commentator said the missile test might have been part of China’s angry response to a new maritime dispute with Japan over the Senkaku islands near Taiwan.

However, observers said any JL-2 flight test would have required months of preparation and thus could not have been conducted in connection with the dispute over the Senkakus. Japanese nationals recently sailed to the islands to assert Tokyo’s sovereignty over the islands, prompting an angry response from Beijing.

The Pentagon’s latest annual report on China’s military said China has begun producing a new class of nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine, or SSBN, called the Jin-class, or Type 094.

“The Jin-class SSBN (Type-094) will eventually carry the JL-2 submarine-launched ballistic missile with an estimated range of some 7,400 kilometers (4,588 miles),” the report said.

The submarine and the JL-2 “will give the [People’s Liberation Army] Navy its first credible sea-based nuclear capability,” the report stated.

According to the report, the JL-2 program has experienced “repeated delays” but is expected to reach “initial operating capability” in the next two years.

China currently has two Jin-class missile submarines deployed and reports from China indicate that as many as eight missile submarines eventually will be fielded.

The report said that the JL-2, along with other road-mobile missiles, “will give China a more survivable nuclear force.”

Chinese military secrecy has made it difficult to assess Chinese strategic nuclear forces.

However, a State Department cable from November 2007 stated that China was seeking missile guidance systems for use on ballistic missile submarines from Ukraine.

“We have information indicating that as of late August 2007, a number of individuals from the Beijing Institute of Aerospace Control Devices (BIACD) were planning to travel to Kiev and Kharkov for early September discussions with representatives of Ukraine’s Arsenal Design Bureau on a celestial guidance sensor.”

The sensors, also known as star-trackers, “could be used by China in space launch vehicles, submarine-launched ballistic missiles, or in China’s SC-19 direct ascent anti-satellite (ASAT) missile,” the cable stated, adding that such technology is restricted by the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR).

The JL-2 and Jin submarines are a key element of what U.S. officials says is a major buildup of strategic nuclear forces that has received little public attention among U.S. arms control proponents in both the U.S. government and the private sector.

In addition to the JL-2, a variant of the DF-31 mobile missile, the new strategic weapons include three types of road-mobile ICBMs—DF-31, DF-31A, and DF-41—along with several intermediate and medium-range missiles and hundreds of short-range missiles that can be armed with both conventional and nuclear warheads. The Chinese also are modernizing their fleet of Russian-design strategic bombers.

By contrast, the Obama administration has been seeking to reduce the role of nuclear weapons in U.S. defense strategy.

The administration, according to Republicans in Congress, also appears to be going back on promises made to the Senate in 2010 to spend billions of dollars to upgrade aging U.S. strategic nuclear forces and infrastructure.

The former head of Russia’s strategic rocket forces stated in an article published in May that China’s nuclear arsenal could have as many 3,000 warheads—far more than the 300 to 400 warheads estimated by U.S. intelligence agencies.

Retired Col. Gen. Viktor Yesin said that based on Beijing having a stockpile of up to 70 tons of uranium and plutonium for weapons, “there are probably 1,600 to 1,800 warheads in the Chinese nuclear arsenal.”

“According to assessments, 800 to 900 warheads from this number may be operationally deployed, with the rest in long-term storage,” Yesin said.

Yesin’s article also disclosed China’s development of multiple, independently targetable re-entry vehicles (MIRVs) that would vastly increase the strategic power of its missiles.

DF-5A, DF-31A long-range missiles, and JL-2 submarine launched missiles will be retrofitted for multiple warheads, he stated.

Air Force Gen. C. Robert Kehler, commander of the U.S. Strategic Command, which is in charge of U.S. nuclear forces, said earlier this month that he disagrees with those who say China’s nuclear arsenal is larger than current U.S. estimates.

“I come down on the side of the intelligence community assessment,” Kehler told reporters in Omaha Aug. 8. “I do not believe China has hundreds or thousands of more weapons than what the intelligence community has been saying.”

The last known test of a JL-2 missile took place around early January when as many as six underwater missiles were fired, according to Taiwan’s Defense Ministry.

Those tests took place near the major Chinese submarine base at Xiaopingdao, near the port of Dalian, and were fired from at least two submarines.

Richard Fisher, a China military affairs specialist, said China’s JL-2 test and increased Chinese aggression in the South China Sea appear connected.

“As the Type 094 [missile submarine] starts deterrence patrols from the new Hainan Island base in Yalong Bay, the PLA will seek greater levels of military control over the South China Sea, to ensure that their SSBNs have a safe patrol area,” Fisher, with the International Assessment and Strategy Center, said.

“Within one month China has tested two of its next-generation nuclear missiles, both of which could be armed with multiple warheads,” he added.

“The DF-41 road mobile ICBM may start its career with a multiple warhead bus, and Chinese reports note that future versions of the JL-2 could carry multiple warheads.”

The new missiles indicate that China’s warhead stockpile likely will grow faster over the next decade and that the additional warheads will be backed by a strategic missile defense system by the end of the current decade, Fisher said.

“Previous ‘pop up’ tests of the JL-2 to test the ‘cold launch’ ejection system of the submarine missile tube show that the missile has a blunt warhead section,” Fisher said. “On many other missiles such a configuration is consistent with multiple warheads, though it cannot be confirmed the JL-2 is so equipped.”

“Simple knowledge of both of these developments serves to undermine Asian confidence in the extended U.S. nuclear deterrent, especially as the Obama administration contemplates further reductions in U.S. nuclear warhead levels to 900 or even 300,” he said.

Any responsible U.S. leadership would rule out further U.S. warhead cuts, Fisher said.

“To do so absent compensating deterrent enhancements for our Asian allies amounts to condemning them to a nuclear arms race,” Fisher said. “The very well funded phalanx of liberal groups pushing for greater U.S. nuclear disarmament appear to have no care that they are pitching all Americans toward this far greater danger.”

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kroko

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Come on hendrik. All you do here is making references to the same ( blantantly conservative-leaning) news outlet which has been disproven before. And all those articles (including the SSN story) by the same author (bill gertz).
 

balance

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Come on hendrik. All you do here is making references to the same ( blantantly conservative-leaning) news outlet which has been disproven before. And all those articles (including the SSN story) by the same author (bill gertz).

Maybe this link can help
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China Is Said to Be Bolstering Missile Capabilities
By KEITH BRADSHER
HONG KONG — China is moving ahead with the development of a new and more capable generation of intercontinental ballistic missiles and submarine-launched missiles, increasing its existing ability to deliver nuclear warheads to the United States and to overwhelm missile defense systems, military analysts said this week.

Over all, China’s steady strengthening of its military capabilities for conventional and nuclear warfare has long caused concern in Congress and among American allies in East Asia, particularly lately as China has taken a more assertive position regarding territorial claims in the East China and South China Seas.

The Global Times, a newspaper directly controlled by the Chinese Communist Party, reported Wednesday that China was developing the capability to put multiple warheads on intercontinental ballistic missiles, or ICBMs. But the newspaper disputed a report in Jane’s Defense Weekly that the latest Chinese ICBM, the Dongfeng-41, had been tested last month.

A Pentagon spokesman asked to comment did not directly address the potential new Chinese missile capability, but said the United States “remains committed to maintaining healthy, stable, reliable and continuous military-to-military relations with China and regularly discusses ways to reduce tensions and build trust in the region.”

The spokesman, Lt. Col. Damien Pickart, said the United States carefully monitored China’s military developments and urged China “to exhibit greater transparency regarding its capabilities and intentions.”

Larry M. Wortzel, of the United States-China Economic and Security Review Commission, a panel created by Congress, said that China was developing the capability to put as many as 10 nuclear warheads on an ICBM, although dummy warheads could be substituted for some of the nuclear warheads. The dummy warheads would have heat and electromagnetic devices designed to trick missile defense systems, he said.

“The bigger implication of this is that as they begin to field a force of missiles with multiple warheads, it means everything we assume about the size of their nuclear arsenal becomes wrong,” said Mr. Wortzel, who is a former military intelligence officer and retired Army colonel.

China has separately tested submarine-launched missiles in recent weeks, which it could use to outflank American missile detection systems, Mr. Wortzel said. Most of the radar arrays that the United States has deployed against ballistic missiles were built during the cold war to detect attacks over polar routes.

Sun Zhe, a professor of international relations at Tsinghua University in Beijing, said that China was developing its military forces only in response to continued efforts by other countries, particularly the United States, to improve their own forces.

“We have again and again said that we will not be the first country to use nuclear force,” he said. “We need to be able to defend ourselves, and our main threat, I’m afraid, comes from the United States.”

China’s development of long-range missiles is part of a much broader military expansion made possible by rapid budget growth in tandem with the Chinese economy, which had an output of $7.5 trillion last year, compared with $1.2 trillion in 2000.

China began sea trials last year for its first aircraft carrier, a retrofitted version of a Soviet vessel, and has begun talking this summer about the eventual construction of up to five aircraft carriers. China also began conducting fairly public flight tests in January last year for the J-20, its new stealth fighter jet.

The scale of China’s strategic missile program is much more secret. The Pentagon estimates that China currently has 55 to 65 ICBMs. China is also preparing two submarines for deployment, each with 12 missiles aboard, Mr. Wortzel said.

Those forces are dwarfed by those of the United States, which is cutting its inventory to 1,550 strategic nuclear weapons by 2018 under the latest arms control agreement with Russia.

Western forecasts vary on how many of the new Dongfeng-41 missiles China will produce, with 20 to 32 mobile launching systems planned. The mobile launchers make it harder to find and destroy a missile before it is launched. If each missile has 10 nuclear warheads, that could result in a few hundred to several hundred nuclear weapons.

But Tom Z. Collina, the research director of the Arms Control Association, said that China might not actually deploy multiple warheads without first developing and testing smaller warheads. And China signed the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty in 1996, agreeing not to conduct further nuclear tests.

The United States has tried to reassure Russia and China that its limited ballistic missile defenses are designed only to shoot down one or a few missiles launched by a rogue state. But missile defense advocates in the United States favor more ambitious, and also far costlier, systems, a spirited debate that has been followed with nervousness in Moscow and Beijing.

The United States has been considering where it can best place additional high-tech radar systems designed to track ballistic missiles. American forces currently have one in northern Japan and others that are deployed from time to time at sea. The Wall Street Journal reported this week on discussions of whether to put two more on land, in southern Japan and in Southeast Asia.

American officials have repeatedly said that their main concern is North Korea, which has been testing long-range missiles and developing nuclear weapons. But Chinese officials and experts have been suspicious that American defense systems are aimed at their country’s forces as well.

“I have no doubt that one of the goals of the missile defenses is to contain threats from North Korea, but objectively speaking, a high-tech expansion of U.S. military biceps impacts China, too,” said Shi Yinhong, a professor of international relations at Renmin University in Beijing. He added that discussions had taken place in China on whether to develop missile defense systems as well.

Adam Century contributed reporting from Beijing, and Thom Shanker from Washington. Mia Li contributed research from Beijing.
 

balance

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Come on hendrik. All you do here is making references to the same ( blantantly conservative-leaning) news outlet which has been disproven before. And all those articles (including the SSN story) by the same author (bill gertz).

Maybe this link can help
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China Is Said to Be Bolstering Missile Capabilities
By KEITH BRADSHER
HONG KONG — China is moving ahead with the development of a new and more capable generation of intercontinental ballistic missiles and submarine-launched missiles, increasing its existing ability to deliver nuclear warheads to the United States and to overwhelm missile defense systems, military analysts said this week.

Over all, China’s steady strengthening of its military capabilities for conventional and nuclear warfare has long caused concern in Congress and among American allies in East Asia, particularly lately as China has taken a more assertive position regarding territorial claims in the East China and South China Seas.

The Global Times, a newspaper directly controlled by the Chinese Communist Party, reported Wednesday that China was developing the capability to put multiple warheads on intercontinental ballistic missiles, or ICBMs. But the newspaper disputed a report in Jane’s Defense Weekly that the latest Chinese ICBM, the Dongfeng-41, had been tested last month.

A Pentagon spokesman asked to comment did not directly address the potential new Chinese missile capability, but said the United States “remains committed to maintaining healthy, stable, reliable and continuous military-to-military relations with China and regularly discusses ways to reduce tensions and build trust in the region.”

The spokesman, Lt. Col. Damien Pickart, said the United States carefully monitored China’s military developments and urged China “to exhibit greater transparency regarding its capabilities and intentions.”

Larry M. Wortzel, of the United States-China Economic and Security Review Commission, a panel created by Congress, said that China was developing the capability to put as many as 10 nuclear warheads on an ICBM, although dummy warheads could be substituted for some of the nuclear warheads. The dummy warheads would have heat and electromagnetic devices designed to trick missile defense systems, he said.

“The bigger implication of this is that as they begin to field a force of missiles with multiple warheads, it means everything we assume about the size of their nuclear arsenal becomes wrong,” said Mr. Wortzel, who is a former military intelligence officer and retired Army colonel.

China has separately tested submarine-launched missiles in recent weeks, which it could use to outflank American missile detection systems, Mr. Wortzel said. Most of the radar arrays that the United States has deployed against ballistic missiles were built during the cold war to detect attacks over polar routes.

Sun Zhe, a professor of international relations at Tsinghua University in Beijing, said that China was developing its military forces only in response to continued efforts by other countries, particularly the United States, to improve their own forces.

“We have again and again said that we will not be the first country to use nuclear force,” he said. “We need to be able to defend ourselves, and our main threat, I’m afraid, comes from the United States.”

China’s development of long-range missiles is part of a much broader military expansion made possible by rapid budget growth in tandem with the Chinese economy, which had an output of $7.5 trillion last year, compared with $1.2 trillion in 2000.

China began sea trials last year for its first aircraft carrier, a retrofitted version of a Soviet vessel, and has begun talking this summer about the eventual construction of up to five aircraft carriers. China also began conducting fairly public flight tests in January last year for the J-20, its new stealth fighter jet.

The scale of China’s strategic missile program is much more secret. The Pentagon estimates that China currently has 55 to 65 ICBMs. China is also preparing two submarines for deployment, each with 12 missiles aboard, Mr. Wortzel said.

Those forces are dwarfed by those of the United States, which is cutting its inventory to 1,550 strategic nuclear weapons by 2018 under the latest arms control agreement with Russia.

Western forecasts vary on how many of the new Dongfeng-41 missiles China will produce, with 20 to 32 mobile launching systems planned. The mobile launchers make it harder to find and destroy a missile before it is launched. If each missile has 10 nuclear warheads, that could result in a few hundred to several hundred nuclear weapons.

But Tom Z. Collina, the research director of the Arms Control Association, said that China might not actually deploy multiple warheads without first developing and testing smaller warheads. And China signed the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty in 1996, agreeing not to conduct further nuclear tests.

The United States has tried to reassure Russia and China that its limited ballistic missile defenses are designed only to shoot down one or a few missiles launched by a rogue state. But missile defense advocates in the United States favor more ambitious, and also far costlier, systems, a spirited debate that has been followed with nervousness in Moscow and Beijing.

The United States has been considering where it can best place additional high-tech radar systems designed to track ballistic missiles. American forces currently have one in northern Japan and others that are deployed from time to time at sea. The Wall Street Journal reported this week on discussions of whether to put two more on land, in southern Japan and in Southeast Asia.

American officials have repeatedly said that their main concern is North Korea, which has been testing long-range missiles and developing nuclear weapons. But Chinese officials and experts have been suspicious that American defense systems are aimed at their country’s forces as well.

“I have no doubt that one of the goals of the missile defenses is to contain threats from North Korea, but objectively speaking, a high-tech expansion of U.S. military biceps impacts China, too,” said Shi Yinhong, a professor of international relations at Renmin University in Beijing. He added that discussions had taken place in China on whether to develop missile defense systems as well.

Adam Century contributed reporting from Beijing, and Thom Shanker from Washington. Mia Li contributed research from Beijing.
 

Lion

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Obviously somebody cannot accept Chinese advancement. Denial will only make your opposition stronger. Probably that is his case!
 

Lion

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heh, even the global times disputes the DF-41 report.

When did you start taking global times seriously. Looks like you only pick report(don't care which source) to suit your own agenda.

If you read what you try to dispute. Global times also mention China first time admit CCP are developing capability to put multiple warheads on intercontinental ballistic missiles. It maybe under another designation and not DF-41. But it has to be a powrful ICBM to take multiple warhead plus decoy and most important to reach US continent.
 
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J-XX

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heh, even the global times disputes the DF-41 report.

So according to you everyone is wrong and YOU have special knowledge of all the details and know everything.
LMAO delusion at its finest.

DF-41 is real and it was even discussed on CCTV.
I know it hurts the ego to see china develop so quick but learn to deal with it mate!
Chinese economy is $7.3 trillion with $1.7 trillion in government expenditure.
China now has the money, the talent pool(engineers and scientists), industrial capability(machinery and equipment, supercomputers) and the access to natural resources (energy, raw materials).

China will advance whether anyone likes it or not.

The DF-41 will impose maximum possible punishment if any country crosses the red line.
 

kroko

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When did you start taking global times seriously. Looks like you only pick report(don't care which source) to suit your own agenda.

If you read what you try to dispute. Global times also mention China first time admit CCP are developing capability to put multiple warheads on intercontinental ballistic missiles. It maybe under another designation and not DF-41. But it has to be a powrful ICBM to take multiple warhead plus decoy and most important to reach US continent.

First, i never started taking global times seriously. Second, that freebeacon report talked about DF-41, not anything else. Thats what we are arguing here.

So according to you everyone is wrong and YOU have special knowledge of all the details and know everything.
LMAO delusion at its finest.

DF-41 is real and it was even discussed on CCTV.

The DF-41 will impose maximum possible punishment if any country crosses the red line.

uh? i never said that i know everything. How do you know that the DF-41 is real? just because it was discussed on CCTV doesnt mean anything. You can discuss anything on TV.
 
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