China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

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Hendrik_2000

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Do you really think DoD could accept to be blind on RU/CN strategic system?
Why do yo think they have those expensive Keyhole/Lacrosse satellite fleet? Now backed with Commercial imagery.

And how they know if they move it at night or when the weather is bad. Or better still why do they need to store it outside? why not send it straight to PLA unit. I just don't understand your logic. Satellite cannot peer thru building. If they do then yes they can estimate But as long as they cannot peer thru building there is no way they know the number
 

AssassinsMace

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Given the news that Trump and his non-military generals in his cabinet whose only military experience is playing Call to Duty just almost tripped the US into war with China, it's no wonder there's all these stories that war with China is imminent. Why? Because Americans like to believe the only reason China isn't instinctive blindly going to war with everyone is because the US has been holding back and keeping check on China for the world. Now the news that the US backed off against China during the days of the Washington insurrection and called back the US's UN Ambassador's planned trip to Taiwan to declare Taiwanese independence because China called the US's bluff and was about to act to prevent that aircraft from landing which meant possible engagement with Taiwanese and US fighters and thus war. Because they backed off, the wall called the US that was holding back Chinese instinct for war has now collapsed tis why all the articles warning of war is imminent. Nothing's stopping the Communist Night King's horde from crossing the wall now. Trump embarrassed the US military again because it looks like they chickened out.
 

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Given the news that Trump and his non-military generals in his cabinet whose only military experience is playing Call to Duty just almost tripped the US into war with China, it's no wonder there's all these stories that war with China is imminent. Why? Because Americans like to believe the only reason China isn't instinctive blindly going to war with everyone is because the US has been holding back and keeping check on China for the world. Now the news that the US backed off against China during the days of the Washington insurrection and called back the US's UN Ambassador's planned trip to Taiwan to declare Taiwanese independence because China called the US's bluff and was about to act to prevent that aircraft from landing which meant possible engagement with Taiwanese and US fighters and thus war. Because they backed off, the wall called the US that was holding back Chinese instinct for war has now collapsed tis why all the articles warning of war is imminent. Nothing's stopping the Communist Night King's horde from crossing the wall now. Trump embarrassed the US military again because it looks like they chickened out.
It was actually one DF-21D and one DF-26B. DF-26 is thought to have 4000km range.

It's hard to be any more obvious what the message is. But the message is not for the US alone, it's also for every other nations including ASEAN: don't jump in bed with US and become another Taiwan. You see as soon as that test was done it was all quiet in SCS (besides US and its new Eight Nation Army).

By the way I should note. with 4000km range DF-26 can cover most of Indian Ocean if launched from Tibet, interesting how that works isn't it.
 

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I don't understand what is he trying to say He is not worry about thousand chinese nuke? confused Anywa I open some of the link on the article you posted before It is about Chinese nuclear processing capacity Interesting the author said that Chinese reprocessing capacity has expanded over the year contrary to western press that mention one plant was discontinue in the north so their argument Chinese warhead does not grow But that is wrong the plant was discontinue because it used an old soviet era gad diffusion technology while China built newer centrifuge extraction plant and has commission several plant recently. here what he said about theoretical capacity of Chinese uranium processing plant to produce warhead as is now 1870 bomb per year and period 2020 to 2040 72000 bomb

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China currently could produce would result in about 37.4 tons of WgHEU each year (about 1870 bombs/year). This is about 2.7 times China’s current inventory of about 14 tons of HEU for weapons. As a projection of China’s enrichment capacity as the medium case shown in figure 4, China could have an enrichment capacity of 16.6 million SWU/year by 2030 and 24 million SWU/year by 2040, respectively, which is equal to producing about 80 tons of weapon-grade HEU per year by 2030 and about 115 tons/year by 2040. The cumulative domestic SWU supply would total about 300 million SWU over the period between 2020 and 2040, sufficient to producing about 1440 tons of weapon-grade HEU (about 72,000 bombs). However, it is impossible for China to shut down its all power reactors and produce such a HEU stock even much more than that of the total of U.S. and Russian stockpiles.

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How Much Nuclear Weapons Material Might China Make?

Jul 16, 2020
AUTHOR: Dr. ZHANG Hui (Harvard) | Nonproliferation Policy Education Center (NPEC)

NPEC asked the leading expert of China’s nuclear activities, Dr. ZHANG Hui of Harvard, to project what the numbers might be for the next two decades.

Attached is his detailed analysis. The high numbers for separated plutonium and highly enriched uranium (HEU) stocks and production capacity are sobering: By 2030, China could have thousands of additional bombs’ worth of these materials on hand.

How is this possible?

China has an extensive “peaceful” program to enrich uranium. It also is building a large domestic reprocessing plant, has a pilot plant it currently operates, and is still planning on importing a massive reprocessing plant from France. These plants can extract nuclear weapons explosive plutonium from China’s fleet of heavy and light water reactors and, soon, from the fast reactor now under construction.

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Dr. ZHANG Hui Paper (PDF) 3,607.33 KB
China’s Uranium Enrichment and Plutonium Recycling 2020-2040: Current Practices and Projected Capacities
ZHANG Hui - June 23, 2020

Since the mid-2000s, China has adopted a strategy that combines domestic production, overseas exploitation, and purchases on the world marketplace in uranium in order to meet expectations of a rapid increase in uranium requirements. Known as the “Three One-Third” rule, one-third of its uranium comes from domestic supply, one-third from direct international trade, and another third from overseas mining by Chinese firms. Consequently, China has secured a huge amount of overseas uranium resources and more could easily be added, which would afford more than enough uranium to meet the requirements of China’s most ambitious nuclear energy plan through 2050.

While China will continue relying on domestic and overseas uranium resources, the China National Nuclear Corporation (CNNC) -- the sole player responsible for enrichment services in China -- has said that it maintains a policy of “self-sufficiency” in the supply of enriched uranium products needed to fuel its nuclear power plants. In practice, to meet the expected rapid increase of enrichment requirements, CNNC has expanded its indigenous centrifuge enrichment capacity significantly since 2010.

By 2020, China reached a total estimated enrichment capacity of about 7.8 million SWU (separative work units) (as shown in table 1) — enough to meet its reactors’ demands of 7.5 million SWU annually. Moreover, China could have a surplus of up to 30 million SWU by 2019 as a result of a net import of SWU and the domestic overproduction since 2010, which means that China may not need to add new enrichment capacity at least until 2025. By 2040, the SWU requirement is expected to grow to about 18 to 32 million SWU/year.

How much will China build its enrichment capacities in the future?

CNNC experts emphasize its policy of “meeting its domestic demand and targeting the international markets” in supply of enrichment services. They further address that China is able to produce enough enrichment uranium products to feed its domestic reactors and exported reactors.

China does not officially release information on its enrichment capacity. Based on satellite imagery, Chinese publications, and discussions with Chinese experts, this author made an estimate in 2015 on China’s enrichment capacity. Since then, there have been significant developments. On the one hand, new centrifuge facilities have been recently commissioned. On the other hand, enrichment expansion has been scaled back since 2016 due to China’s slowed growth in nuclear power. Such trends could continue in the near future. However, China’s SWU capacities are expected to expand significantly in the next two decades to align with the country’s expected domestic and export reactor growth.

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In essence, I just do not believe that China is being hindered by nuclear material constraint if they indeed want to produce more nuclear warheads! It will be more a matter of their strategic nuclear choices, whether or not to follow or come closer to the Cold War madness of the two nuclear giants: USA & USSR; plus possibly to some extent, the total cost consideration -- but if China deem that a certain expanded number of nuclear warheads is an absolute necessity to ensure their nuclear deterrence (preserve a credible MAD), cost factor won't block such move! eventually.

However, as China deliberately adopt a strategic nuclear ambiguity policy, the world won't know for sure how large is China's nuclear force actually (number of warheads; delivery means and so on), esp. in consideration to their vast tunnel networks of the Underground Great Wall (UGW). Needless to say, satellites can't monitor the whole time of 356 days nonstop and being foolproof tracking means to overcome weather, night shield, roofs and tunnels. And the CIA operatives there were already neutralized many years ago.
 

escobar

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And how they know if they move it at night or when the weather is bad. Or better still why do they need to store it outside? why not send it straight to PLA unit. I just don't understand your logic. Satellite cannot peer thru building. If they do then yes they can estimate But as long as they cannot peer thru building there is no way they know the number
LACROSSE is a SAR sat. Data acquisitions can be made at any time of day or night and independent of cloud coverage.
Dod can track CN missile launcher production like they monitor every CH missile tests. See DF-26 case:
China Military Power report 2018: 16-30 launchers
China Military Power report 2019: 80 launchers
China Military Power report 2020: 200 launchers

That is logic based on space imagery not on emotional argument like yours.
 

Hendrik_2000

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LACROSSE is a SAR sat. Data acquisitions can be made at any time of day or night and independent of cloud coverage.
Dod can track CN missile launcher production like they monitor every CH missile tests. See DF-26 case:
China Military Power report 2018: 16-30 launchers
China Military Power report 2019: 80 launchers
China Military Power report 2020: 200 launchers

That is logic based on space imagery not on emotional argument like yours.
It is not possible to watch 365 day &X24 hr even with satellite there is lag between them. And the Chinese know they are being watched . SAR cannot peer thru building. And why should they park outside ? You didn't answer question Can they just send it straight to PLA after manufacturing. The number that you quoted is estimate at best and not based on anything I seen that over the year
 

ougoah

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It is not possible to watch 365 day &X24 hr even with satellite there is lag between them. And the Chinese know they are being watched . SAR cannot peer thru building. And why should they park outside ? You didn't answer question Can they just send it straight to PLA after manufacturing. The number that you quoted is estimate at best and not based on anything I seen that over the year

SAR sats can do certain things in terms of "peering through walls" but yeah they can't tell how many silos or launchers etc behind obstacles. Not too accurately at least.
 

escobar

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It is not possible to watch 365 day &X24 hr even with satellite there is lag between them. And the Chinese know they are being watched . SAR cannot peer thru building. You didn't answer question Can they just send it straight to PLA after manufacturing.
Why they should watch 365 day &X24 hr? CN launcher production is not 365 day &X24 hr.
It is strategic surveillance. Do you understand that?
You love to say China can track mobile US carrier but you think US can't track missile launcher production on a static site.

And why should they park outside ?
The sat pic show the launcher site production not PLARF Unit.

The number that you quoted is estimate at best and not based on anything I seen that over the year
That is DoD estimate based on world most powerfull space surveillance system. What is yours?
 

Hendrik_2000

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Why they should watch 365 day &X24 hr? CN launcher production is not 365 day &X24 hr.
It is strategic surveillance. Do you understand that?
You love to say China can track mobile US carrier but you think US can't track missile launcher production on a static site.


The sat pic show the launcher site production not PLARF Unit.


That is DoD estimate based on world most powerfull space surveillance system. What is yours?
Guesstimate nothing more than that The Chinese know which satellite flying above them and they can move their launcher from factory when there is no satellite above them as easy as that.

ASBM is based on onboard sensor inside the missile once they are given approximate area where the CBG is located the ASBM can home their sensor. So satellite is only use for cueing and direct control
 

escobar

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Guesstimate nothing more than that The Chinese know which satellite flying above them and they can move their launcher from factory when there is no satellite above them as easy as that.

ASBM is based on onboard sensor inside the missile once they are given approximate area where the CBG is located the ASBM can home their sensor. So satellite is only use for cueing and direct control
And what is your guesstimate? Nothing, Nil.
 
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