China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

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Hendrik_2000 said:
That is not true I remember seeing TEL inside silo it is big enough all right. The TEL cabin is designed for 2 compartment allowing the rocket head to sit between them so it is low profile. What do you mean by shifting to other region because The UGW is all over China it is not limited to specific region or mountain. It is mostly in central Chinese mountainous area but some of them in the north, west, east and south all over the country. I think the silo complement those UGW basing as they allow speedier deployment specially if it solid rocket like DF 41 and can be launched on warning.
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Very good points.

However, Can UGW accommodate the bigger TELs and missiles. From the videos of UGW, I think it's a bit congested.

What I've understood -
The silos would be in Western China (to take the artic routes)? So the UGW would be in Central Eastern Mountainous region.
 
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Xsizor said:
Very good points.

However, Can UGW accommodate the bigger TELs and missiles. From the videos of UGW, I think it's a bit congested.

What I've understood -
The silos would be in Western China (to take the artic routes)? So the UGW would be in Central Eastern Mountainous region.
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Here is the picture of the TEL see they are low profile
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An here is the picture of UGW
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And here is is the probable location of UGW geographically disperse
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Here is Karber report in PDF
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What's the prospect of China copying russian nuclear powered, nuke armed torpedo capable traveling 10,000+ miles. The Poseidon. It travels at great depth,
Undetectable under the cover of the ocean by sonar.
 
escobar

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ougoah said:
Both of you fail basic maths and comprehension. Nowhere did I say China has over 1000 warheads. Furthermore, you both realise that missiles aren't all TEL launched right?

There are containers that can be disguised. There are plenty of silos. There are SS launched missiles and then there are cruise missiles and various non-ballistic missile delivery platforms. All those technically need warheads. So no it isn't a matter of counting launchers. That's as stupid as trying to work out how many leashes a household has by counting number of dogs inside a single room.

Iran has at least one revolver style launch facility in the mountains. China's been building underground launch facilities since the 1960s.

What else? China doesn't report how many launchers it has. So good luck finding out. Chinese rumours from usual "official" disinfo and info agents always talk about thousand/s of missiles. Sure many are short ranged and many are used conventionally but that also doesn't negate anything.

Even it it were a matter of counting launchers, how on earth would either of you know better? You're just as in the dark as I am. I could say there are indeed 1000 launchers and neither of you could prove otherwise.

Again read my post and see that it is trying to prove that thinking China still only having 300 warheads like it preferred everyone to think back in the 1990s is pretty shallow minded. The Chinese economy and industry has grown many orders of magnitude since the 1990s. The threats have grown and yet it would keep its warhead count as is? Dream on. It's 100 times wealthier and could actually get into a nuclear war with the US as Chinese leaders may have made contingencies for.

Again prove to me China has <1000 silos and launchers then we'll talk otherwise it's cool story from you two. At least I can reason my hypothesis out unlike you guys still with the "bU...BuTt ChYnA seYs dEY hAs onLY 30o nuKulARs."

...oh and each ICBM and SLBM usually carrier quite a lot more than 1 warhead. So 10 silo DF-5s could potentially have up to 40 warheads possibly more.
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Basically, China bank on camouflage, deception, caves, and ambiguous numbers to seek survivability at low numbers. They will become more open as their nuclear capability increase.
 
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escobar said:
Basically, China bank on camouflage, deception, caves, and ambiguous numbers to seek survivability at low numbers. They will become more open as their nuclear capability increase.
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I've never seen French or British nukes aboard the SSBN. Same is the case for US with their SSBNs.

Can we extend your line of thought to these countries too?
No country is open regarding nukes. No one.
 
escobar

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Xsizor said:
I've never seen French or British nukes aboard the SSBN. Same is the case for US with their SSBNs.

Can we extend your line of thought to these countries too?
No country is open regarding nukes. No one.
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US nuclear forces. You Can have similar info on RU nukes from US STate gov START treaty page
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Hendrik_2000

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escobar said:
Interesting thread on China nuclear warfighting
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1369414446221819913
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I don't understand what is he trying to say He is not worry about thousand chinese nuke? confused Anywa I open some of the link on the article you posted before It is about Chinese nuclear processing capacity Interesting the author said that Chinese reprocessing capacity has expanded over the year contrary to western press that mention one plant was discontinue in the north so their argument Chinese warhead does not grow But that is wrong the plant was discontinue because it used an old soviet era gad diffusion technology while China built newer centrifuge extraction plant and has commission several plant recently. here what he said about theoretical capacity of Chinese uranium processing plant to produce warhead as is now 1870 bomb per year and period 2020 to 2040 72000 bomb

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China currently could produce would result in about 37.4 tons of WgHEU each year (about 1870 bombs/year). This is about 2.7 times China’s current inventory of about 14 tons of HEU for weapons. As a projection of China’s enrichment capacity as the medium case shown in figure 4, China could have an enrichment capacity of 16.6 million SWU/year by 2030 and 24 million SWU/year by 2040, respectively, which is equal to producing about 80 tons of weapon-grade HEU per year by 2030 and about 115 tons/year by 2040. The cumulative domestic SWU supply would total about 300 million SWU over the period between 2020 and 2040, sufficient to producing about 1440 tons of weapon-grade HEU (about 72,000 bombs). However, it is impossible for China to shut down its all power reactors and produce such a HEU stock even much more than that of the total of U.S. and Russian stockpiles.

And here are all the plant
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