China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

[Aniah]

A short extract and refresher of whats what about DF41. From China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

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The Dong Feng 41 (CSS-X-10) is a road- and rail-mobile intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM). The DF-41 completed all testing stages and deployed in the People’s Republic of China (PRC) since 2017. It is estimated to have an operational range of 12,000 to 15,000 km, which would make it the longest range missile in operation. It will likely have a top speed of Mach 25 and will be capable of delivering up to 10 MIRVed warheads. Throw weight of DF-41 is 2,500 kg.

The DF-41 is a three-stage solid-fueled intercontinental ballistic missile reported to have a maximum range of up to 15,000 kilometers (more than 9320 miles) and a top speed of Mach 25 (19,030 mph). It is said to be capable of carrying up to 10 multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle (MIRVs). Its launch preparation time is estimated to be between 3 to 5 minutes.

This would make the DF-41 the world's longest range missile, surpassing the range of the US

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which has a reported range of 13,000 km. Throw weight of LGM-30 is only 1000kg or just 3 numbers of 170kton nukes. USA UGM-133 Trident II throw weight is only 2,800 kg.



Four brigades of DF-41 ICBMs (Heilongjiang, Henan, Xinjiang, and Tibet Provinces) with one re-load per DF-41 TEL yields 96 total DF-41 ICBMs.
How many brigades of DF-41 since 2017 number of 4 brigades?
6 Brigades or 8 Brigades?

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If China got only 260 thermonukes like what everyone is saying and hoping, the surplus warheads will be delivering dim sum and tea bags and cleaned pressed laundry from Chinese laundrymen.

Please remember DF-41 got a very big brother coming up as well in case you think DF-41 not worthy enough to deliver dim sum and tea bags and cleaned laundry.
Russia’s RS-28 “Sarmat” ten-ton payload, rated as the most dangerous ICBM . Reportedly it may carry up to fifteen 350 kiloton warheads, or up to twenty-four of the new “Avangard” nuclear-armed Hypersonic Glide Vehicle (HGV) warheads. Sarmat will be dwarfed by Chinese new missile with even larger twenty-ton payload. That will be solid-fuel space-launch vehicle (SLV), and could form the basis for what might become the world’s largest “mobile” ICBM.

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Reading this feels like I'm reading something out of a metal gear script. I wish someone could photoshop the DF-41 on a metal gear.

 

[ougoah]

ICBM rockets aren't an issue when you've got all the Long March rockets. There is no shortage of rockets and range. The danger is where BMD abilities stand in respect to ICBM/SLBM. HGVs are supposed to negate advances and proliferation of BMD but not even China has invested in building and deploying enough HQ-26/29/xx BMD to the point there is at least two BMD interceptors for each known warhead held by the US. When it comes to nuclear deterrence, you need both the numbers and to be a step ahead in technology - HGVs. DF-41, JL-3 and whatever is replacing them, need to be prioritised to balance the numbers side. Western nations have taught many pupils throughout modern history that diplomacy only works when you have a convincing ability to destroy your adversary.

 

[Rettam Stacf]

Not sure if I should put this in the Funnies thread

China flag row mars US-Russia nuclear arms talks in Vienna

According to the Kommersant daily, which cited Russian diplomatic sources, Russian representatives opposed the idea of having Chinese flags present to symbolise Beijing’s absence. The Americans therefore “put the flags of the three countries up and took photos” so they could publish the images before the negotiations.

“Before the Russian delegation arrived, they removed it all,” the paper reported.

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The American learned well from the Indian, or the other way around ?

 

[AssassinsMace]

I was wondering why Great Britain and France weren't included but then it was only recently Trump found out Great Britain was a nuclear power.

 

[Broccoli]

Last time we did see pic of DF-31A this close it was dark green but now DF-31A has gone black (new composite materials?).

 

[by78]

DF-26.

 

[rambo54]

DF-26.

613 BGD (so far DF-15 unit) 28.476682° 117.890854° - "DF-26" dummy is marked as DF-185G

 

[gadgetcool5]

Not sure if I should put this in the Funnies thread

China flag row mars US-Russia nuclear arms talks in Vienna

According to the Kommersant daily, which cited Russian diplomatic sources, Russian representatives opposed the idea of having Chinese flags present to symbolise Beijing’s absence. The Americans therefore “put the flags of the three countries up and took photos” so they could publish the images before the negotiations.

“Before the Russian delegation arrived, they removed it all,” the paper reported.

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The American learned well from the Indian, or the other way around ?

China should agree to join arms control talks on the condition that India also joins. Since India will never agree to join, it allows China to put the onus on India without having to change its position.

 

[Figaro]

China should agree to join arms control talks on the condition that India also joins. Since India will never agree to join, it allows China to put the onus on India without having to change its position.

China doesn't care about India's nuclear arsenal ... which is small and rudimentary in comparison. It cares about its arsenal relative to the US and Russia. As such, China would not join even if India joined. China's goal is oriented at deterrence against the US ... not India.

 

[AssassinsMace]

People actually think Trump wants to eliminate weapons...? He entered being President asking why can't he use nuclear weapons since the US has them? He said he wanted more nukes for the US. His base wants the US military to have more not less. Trump broke the treaty with Russia so he can do that. He's gotten heat for it so now all of the sudden China has to be included. Why? He's counting on China not participating and rejecting it so he can use that as an excuse to make more.

It's pointless trying to be civilized when Trump's goal is the US to have overwhelming advantage in numbers of nukes. That sounds like Trump and what his base wants. Trump didn't know Great Britain had nukes until recently. I bet he didn't know France has them too. So why aren't they included? How about eliminating all nukes? The only country that will have a problem with that is the US. I bet North Korea will more likely give up its nukes if the world didn't have nukes. So who's the trouble-making country...?

It's all or none at all. Anything in between is designed to create advantages and disadvantages between countries. You think you can trust Trump with being fair? The US already has overwhelming advantage. Anyone else that the US worries over having nukes or more nukes makes the US think twice. Are we forgetting the US is the only country to actually use nukes against another country? The excuse then was it saved lies even Japanese lives because you know the Japanese were automatons of the Emperor and they would've kept on fighting to the death.... Is that old archaic thinking of the past? It is an excuse that can be used today? We don't hear about how Chinese are automatons and don't think for themselves? Look at the pro-Hong Kong crowd who paint Mainlanders as that. It can't be racist because Hong Kongers believe it too. That excuse can easily be used today.

The US is the one afraid of others having nukes because they're the ones that start the wars. The US is either too afraid to start a war with a country with nukes, i.e. North Korea, or a country will justifiably use them if they're attacked by the US. Anything less than the elimination of all nukes is disingenuous from anyone claiming they're for peace.