China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

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tidalwave

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so, ukrainians sold documentation for mobile icbm ss-24 to china.
df-41 is just a new name for the good old missile;)

earlier they sold them an aircraft carrier along with deck fighter prototype.
and submersible test platform for slbms to north korea.

attaboys... they are changing the world!

They were dumb to destroy the handful TU160& Backfire they inherited from Soviet. US offered them chump change to scraped the TU160&Backfire which Ukraine did. What a waste!
 

Hendrik_2000

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Another chain link in the ASBM surveillance and tracking system. Unlike previous Sat this one is Geosynch and will provide persistent tracking
over wide area purportedly over 400 km square in one swoop

If this thing can keep track of large tanker than it should be able to track larger CBG with no problem

China launches HD earth observation satellite
by Staff Writers
Beijing (XNA) Dec 30, 2015


illustration only

China on Tuesday launched its most sophisticated observation satellite, Gaofen-4, as part of the country's high-definition (HD) earth observation project.

Gaofen-4 was launched from the Xichang Satellite Launch Center in the southwestern province of Sichuan at 00:04 a.m. aboard a Long March-3B carrier rocket. It was the 222th flight of the Long March rocket series, according to the State Administration of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense (SASTIND).

Gaofen-4 is China's first geosynchronous orbit HD optical imaging satellite and the world's most sophisticated HD geosynchronous orbit remote sensing satellite, according to Xu Dazhe, head of SASTIND and China National Space Administration.

The successful launch of Gaofen-4 was the 19th space mission in this year. It will be used for disaster prevention and relief, surveillance of geological disasters and forest disasters, and meteorologic forecast, according to Tong Xudong, the chief designer of the Gaofen project with SASTIND.

The Gaofen project aims to launch seven high-definition observation satellites before 2020.

Gaofen-1, the first satellite of the project, was launched in April 2013.

Different from Gaofen-1 and Gaofen-2 in low orbits (600-700 km) around the earth, Gaofen-4 is located at the orbit 36,000 kilometers away from the earth and moves synchronously with the earth.

According to Li Guo, chief designer of Gaofen-4, this satellite can watch an oil tanker on the sea with its large CMOS camera, reaching the best imaging level among global high-orbit remote sensing satellites. It can view the entire area of Beijing and Tianjin at a glance. It will benefit countries and regions along the Belt and Road Initiative as well as providing services for various domestic industries.

Gaofen-4 is orbiting 36,000 kilometers away from the earth, much farther away than other remote sensing satellites which typically orbit at 500 km or at 1,000 km. High orbit satellite have the advantage of being able to snap "grand scenarios." Low orbit satellites, in contrast, can see more detail at faster speed.

Low orbit satellites cannot always follow natural disasters, but Gaofen-4 can continuously observe a disaster because it moves synchronously with the earth. It improves the response to disasters like earthquakes landslides and typhoons with its high-precision sensors.

Gaofen-4 has a designed lifespan of 8 years, compared to other remote sensing satellites which remain is service for less than 3 to 5 years.

Since the inception of the Gaofen project in 2013, China has an increasingly clearer view of the planet.

Gaofen-1, launched in April 2013, could cover the globe in merely 4 days. Gaofen-2, sent into space in August 2014, is able to resolve to 0.8 m in full color and collect multispectral images of objects of 3.2 meters or longer. The two satellites enable China to be basically self-sufficient in high-definition remote sensing data.

China will launch Gaofen-3 in 2016 and accelerate the research and development of Gaofen-6 and Gaofen-7. The goal of the Gaofen series is to provide all-weather, 24-hour service covering the globe.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Another thing It can't be shot too far away for any missile
In its last space mission of 2015 China has launched its most sophisticated Earth observation satellite to date, Gaofen-4. It is to become the country's first high-definition satellite in geosynchronous orbit.
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The site was launched from the Xichang Satellite Launch Center in the southwestern province of Sichuan on Tuesday, just minutes after midnight local time [1604 GMT Monday]. The spacecraft was boosted off the planet by a Long March-3B carrier rocket, Xinhua news agency reported.

Gaofen 4 is the fifth mission in China’s Gaofen (“High Definition”) series launched under the China High-definition Earth Observation System (CHEOS) program. The program was launched in 2010 and has between seven and 14 satellites considered for launch between 2013 to 2020. The program is meant to provide data for agriculture planning, relief efforts, climate change monitoring and other areas.

Unlike most Earth-observation satellites, Gaofen 4 will operate from a high geosynchronous orbit, allowing it to continuously monitor the same area. It can direct its visible light and infrared cameras on an area about 7,000 km by 7,000 km, which includes China and its surrounding region. Each individual frame would cover an area of 400 km by 400 km, and provide imaging with ground resolution of 50 m for the visible light camera and 400 m for the infrared one.

The satellite's capabilities are the best among those high-orbit remote sensing spacecraft, Li Guo, chief designer of Gaofen-4, told Xinhua.
 

supercat

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[QUOTE="Hendrik_2000, post: 381589, member: 2552"
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Unlike most Earth-observation satellites, Gaofen 4 will operate from a high geosynchronous orbit, allowing it to continuously monitor the same area. It can direct its visible light and infrared cameras on an area about 7,000 km by 7,000 km, which includes China and its surrounding region. Each individual frame would cover an area of 400 km by 400 km, and provide imaging with ground resolution of 50 m for the visible light camera and 400 m for the infrared one.

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This really gives China the ability to monitor the whole West Pacific 24/7. The argument that China cannot effectively target a carrier although they can hit it (if they can target it) is no longer valid.
 

Ultra

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This really gives China the ability to monitor the whole West Pacific 24/7. The argument that China cannot effectively target a carrier although they can hit it (if they can target it) is no longer valid.


Provided that nobody targets these satellites with laser dazzlers. ;)

The funny thing is that China has been developing and targeting US spy satellites with laser dazzlers for years, now that they are in the HD spy satellite business US can do that same to them, and does it better as US has been bouncing laser off mirrors on moon's surface since 70s the accuracy and power of US laser "dazzler" (some should be class as weapon) is not even in the same class.

China seriously needs to find other ways to target the US CSG/CVBG because if the war does break out the first to go are the satellites, and then China went blind and all its DF-21 ASBMs are uselss. And Over the Horizon Radar (OTH) is not one of them as US CSG/CVBG has sophiscated EA/EW capabilities which can flood the airwaves with fake signals.
 
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GreenestGDP

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... ... because if the war does break out the first to go are the satellites, and then China went blind and all its DF-21 ASBMs are uselss. And Over the Horizon Radar (OTH) is not one of them as ... has sophiscated EA/EW capabilities which can flood the airwaves with fake signals.


For redundancy... ...

I thought you already knew about the usefulness of a squadron of
economical YuanMeng Airships and a squadron of economical
Divine--Eagle drones ( maybe underwater UV as well )
and PLA integrated battle devices network
using a group of KJ-500 as the C4ISR signals relaying hub ... ...


Divine Eagle 7 AESA Radar

Divine--Eagle--drone--VHF--AESA--7 radar.jpg



Old PLA integrated Battle network diagram in 2010
before Divine Eagle and Yuanmeng

PLA--Battle--network--diagram--1a.jpg
 

Ultra

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For redundancy... ...

I thought you already knew about the usefulness of a squadron of
economical YuanMeng Airships and a squadron of economical
Divine--Eagle drones ( maybe underwater UV as well )
and PLA integrated battle devices network
using a group of KJ-500 as the C4ISR signals relaying hub ... ...


Divine Eagle 7 AESA Radar

View attachment 23302



Old PLA integrated Battle network diagram in 2010
before Divine Eagle and Yuanmeng

View attachment 23306




So this Divine Eagle 7 is a drone - my question is, what is its radar range? It looks like a fighter size drone so the radar can't be that much more powerful than a fighter aircraft. The problem with this scenerio is that the US CSG/CVBG fleet are protected by several Ticos and Burkes, all of them armed with SM-3 - with Block IA/B having the operational range of 700 km and a flight ceiling of 500 km. The upcoming Block IIA will have more than 2,500 km operational range and 1,500 km flight ceiling.

So the question is, what kind of super powerful AESA radar that China possess that can be put on this Divine Eagle 7 drone that's light enough for it to fly, and yet still able to detect the US CSG/CVBG before it get shoot down? Remember, this fighter size radar needs to detect CSG/CVBG at over 700 km range....And I havn't even factor in the combat air patrols (CAP) that carrier aircraft would have further extending this minimal detection range.
 
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Hendrik_2000

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So this Divine Eagle 7 is a drone - my question is, what is its radar range? It looks like a fighter size drone so the radar can't be that much more powerful than a fighter aircraft. The problem with this scenerio is that the US CSG/CVBG fleet are protected by several Ticos and Burkes, all of them armed with SM-3 - with Block IA/B having the operational range of 700 km and a flight ceiling of 500 km. The upcoming Block IIA will have more than 2,500 km operational range and 1,500 km flight ceiling.

So the question is, what kind of super powerful AESA radar that China possess that can be put on this Divine Eagle 7 drone that's light enough for it to fly, and yet still able to detect the US CSG/CVBG before it get shoot down? Remember, this fighter size radar needs to detect CSG/CVBG at over 700 km range....And I havn't even factor in the combat air patrols (CAP) that carrier aircraft would have further extending this minimal detection range.

How about this scenario

According to Australia Air Power, China's KJ-2000 AWACS uses L-band radar to search for stealth aircraft.

The distance from the KJ-2000 AWACS L-band radar emitter to the target is 470km. The distance from the target to the radar receiver on the KJ-2000 AWACS is another 470km. Thus, the total distance from the KJ-2000 AWACS L-band radar emitter to the receiver is 940km.

By using the KJ-2000 AWACS with a silent listening partner in the Divine Eagle (which has an extremely sensitive L-band interferometer), the KJ-2000 AWACS can illuminate a stealth aircraft at 840km and have the Divine Eagle pick up the signal at 1000km away from the target.

By figuratively separating the receiver from the KJ-2000 AWACS and moving it much further down the field, a stealth aircraft can be detected at an extreme range of 840km by the Divine Eagle anti-stealth UAV.
 

GreenestGDP

Junior Member
IMHO, ... ...
GaoFen-4 can not be targeted by the opfor Laser dazzler,
from continental US or Hawaii.
Because:

1) GF-4 will be situated above Western Pacific,
and it is moving with Earth.

2) GaoFen-4 eyes are protected on all side by vertical shield.
The opfor Laser dazzler must be located directly underneath GF-4
in order to blind GF-4.

3) PLA can always move GaoFen-4 around by changing
the coordinates and altitude varying around 36,000 km above Earth
or just by moving 500 meter in any 3D XYZ direction

4) Once the opfor lose GaoFen-4 track, how long do you think
it takes the opfor to search GaoFen-4 new location ?
It could easily be days and week to find GF-4.

And, the opfor Laser dazzler must be located directly underneath
GF-4 in order to blind GF-4.

Guam is not that large. Soon, there is no place to plant
the opfor Laser dazzler.

That is enough time to for GF-4 to send the opfor
carrier coordinate to 2nd Arty and fire DF-21D or DF-26.

BTW, there will be multiple GF-4.
There could be 10 or more GF-4 satellites.
 
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