China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

[GreatWall]

US and Russia could walk and chew gum at the same time. Russia has thousands of km land border with China, and as long as the two are physically connected at the hip, Russia will always fear a dominant China. That's the primary motivator for Russia to look for partners (not necessarily allies) to balance China, and the US would form partnership of convenience with Russia to maintain her supremacy in Asia. The bottom line is generally speaking, Asian countries run to China for economic opportunity and to the US for security.

Russia will never fear a "dominant" China because a "dominant" China is light years away from becoming reality. The PLA doesn't have the training, the technology nor the money to threaten Russia physically anytime in the next 50 years, and that's counting on the CPC introducing massive reforms to prevent the country from forever becoming a middle income nation like Turkey or Brazil. Lambs to the slaughter is what it would be if China were to step up to the Russians and try and contest them with force.

 

[Equation]

Russia will never fear a "dominant" China because a "dominant" China is light years away from becoming reality. The PLA doesn't have the training, the technology nor the money to threaten Russia physically anytime in the next 50 years, and that's counting on the CPC introducing massive reforms to prevent the country from forever becoming a middle income nation like Turkey or Brazil. Lambs to the slaughter is what it would be if China were to step up to the Russians and try and contest them with force.

Are you kidding me? Russia would conquer Ukraine today just to be in China shoes.

 

[Blackstone]

Russia will never fear a "dominant" China because a "dominant" China is light years away from becoming reality. The PLA doesn't have the training, the technology nor the money to threaten Russia physically anytime in the next 50 years, and that's counting on the CPC introducing massive reforms to prevent the country from forever becoming a middle income nation like Turkey or Brazil. Lambs to the slaughter is what it would be if China were to step up to the Russians and try and contest them with force.

Russia always feared China, even when it was militarily stronger. The conventional military balance is already in China's favor, shifting evermore so as time goes on. China and Russia might have short-term partnerships of convenience, but in the long-run, centrifugal forces are greater than centripetal ones, and whatever alliances the two conjure wouldn't last any longer than the defunct Sino-Soviet pact.

 

[MagnumCromagnon]

Russia always feared China, even when it was militarily stronger. The conventional military balance is already in China's favor, shifting evermore so as time goes on. China and Russia might have short-term partnerships of convenience, but in the long-run, centrifugal forces are greater than centripetal ones, and whatever alliances the two conjure wouldn't last any longer than the defunct Sino-Soviet pact.

Oh yes the feared "Yellow Peril", Russia is soooooo afraid and suspicious of China's growing military strength that's why they've been supplying China with advanced SAMS, advanced missiles, fighter aircraft, jet engines, military technical cooperation, etc. for the past 15 years, because that's Russia signal that Sino-Russian relations are still bad lol...it's America's "White Man's Burden" and duty, to save Russia from the "Yellow Peril", just like from a Tom Clancy novel lol! And I'm sure China's strategy to Invade Siberia by 2030 is to make itself as dependent as possible with fighter engines and other possible Sino-Russian military technical cooperation, as well as LNG, nuclear, crude oil cooperation...because we all know those strategically important trade/goods being cut off would not hinder and invasion strategy attempt by the Yellow Peril. Let's take off our "Yellow Peril" fetishism tunnel vision glasses off and address things from an empirical point of view:

1.) By the 80's Sino-Soviet relations started to heal and normalize. By the 90's Soviet/Russian economy imploded, and one of the Russian's strategically important industries was it's military technical engineering sector, which was on the brink of collapsing but was saved by foreign orders, partly from India, but mostly from China. This was mutually beneficial military technical cooperation, it allowed China to gain experience and close the gaps in quite a few military strategic fields (such as advance jam-resistance long range SAMs, Medium range SAM's, SHORAD, as wells anti-ship missiles, air superiority fighters), while preventing the Russian military industry from completely dying and maintaining jobs. China gained militarily from such technical cooperation, Russia gained military as well as economically from said cooperation.

2.) Invading Siberia for it's natural resources is orders of magnitude more expensive in financial terms and human life, compared to peacefully cooperation in investing in Siberia, which China is already doing. Russia is even actively encouraging China, which China is aptly obliging. This way is way easier and ten's of thousands of times cheaper than waging a disastrous multi-trillion Dollar invasion campaign in to Siberia that would leave a lot of major Chinese cities like Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzen in to smoldering, gamma radiation riddled craters. An as already mentioned, with all the military technical cooperation, energy cooperation, wouldn't that actually hamper the success of an invasion of such things were to be compromised? With a $270 billion crude oil contract in 2013, and a $400 billion LNG contract in 2014...do you really think China would invest over half trillion Dollars in a country they planned on bombing in to smithereens? The thought of such an event is patently absurd!

3.) All borders issues with Russia and China were settled in 2004, where Vladimir Putin publicly declared Sino-Russian relations the best they ever been. China can't launch a campaign over borders issues now, it's a bit-late for that, by at least 10 years lol!

 

[AssassinsMace]

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Sorry but after Wikileaks exposed former Prime Minister Paul Rudd's conversation with former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton suggesting the US might have to militarily strike China, not because of an act of aggression, but because China doesn't reform to the West's wishes, China having a capable nuclear deterrent will certainly make countries think twice when having such arrogant notions.

 

[In4ser]

Paul Rudd? Isn't he an American actor? Did you mean Kevin "Those Chinese ratf**kers" Rudd? Hilary certainly has been getting advice from the wrong crowd from hawks like him and the neo-con Victoria "F**ck the EU" Nuland and pushing forward policies like the "Russian Reset", "Pivot to Asia" and other bad foreign policies.

 

[AssassinsMace]

Paul Rudd? Isn't he an American actor? Did you mean Kevin "Those Chinese ratf**kers" Rudd? Hilary certainly has been getting advice from the wrong crowd from hawks like him and the neo-con Victoria "F**ck the EU" Nuland and pushing forward policies like the "Russian Reset", "Pivot to Asia" and other bad foreign policies.

Opps! Kevin Rudd. Sorry I just watched Anchorman 2 over the weekend.

 

[FORBIN]

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[nicky]

"China’s military last week conducted flight tests of two intercontinental ballistic missiles, including one of its newest road-mobile DF-31As that can reach the United States with a nuclear warhead, according to U.S. officials.

The test firings of both a DF-31A and a silo-based CSS-4 ICBM were monitored by U.S. intelligence satellites and other intelligence sensors in Asia, said officials familiar with reports of the tests."

Do we know anything more than that?

 

[AssassinsMace]

Looks like maybe another hypersonic test has taken place supposedly this morning. 1110 km in 4 minutes it's said.

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