China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

[Blackstone]

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Is this the first step to scrap the INF? US has been wanting to get back in the short and medium range ballistic missile game for a while now. Mainly to match China's capabilities in that area. Europeans will get screwed of course if the US pulls out of INF.

I don't see US-initiated scrapping of the INF Treaty. Instead, there might be coordinated efforts by US, EU, and Russia to rope China into a new and global INF Treaty.

 

[shen]

I don't see US-initiated scrapping of the INF Treaty. Instead, there might be coordinated efforts by US, EU, and Russia to rope China into a new and global INF Treaty.

I don't see US and Russia coordinating on anything at this time. I wonder if the missile tested could be the Brahmos II.

 

[Blackstone]

I don't see US and Russia coordinating on anything at this time. I wonder if the missile tested could be the Brahmos II.

US & Russia would cooperate to address rising Chinese military capabilities.

 

[shen]

The missile tested is actually R-500.

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[AssassinsMace]

How many cruise missiles has the US used in actual attacks that have a 500+ range? Is the difference ground launched vs. sea launched? I can see why that would benefit the US being on the other side of the world with only two countries on its borders. Why should China sign to that treaty? The US sells long range UAVs to other countries which supposedly violate MTCR. I've also heard people demand China follow restrictions of START which China was never involved in nor signed any sort of treaty. Funny how France and England supposedly have more nukes than China yet they don't have to follow. I bet no one else in Asia has to follow except North Korea. These treaties are a joke and should be violated since one side signing is just symbolic and they don't have to obey while the other side has to.

I can actually remember as a child when everyone believed they were going to die in a nuclear war. Take a look at this arrogance post Cold War, "I can violate the treaty and it's no problem but it's a big deal when you violate the treaty like no has ever done it before." It's like Obama before Edward Snowden trying to paint it that China was the only one cyber spying. Take a look at the result of that kind of arrogance where he's managed to get two major adversaries concentrated on the US while fracturing relations with allies.

 

[Equation]

US & Russia would cooperate to address rising Chinese military capabilities.

Doubt it, right now the US and Russia are having what I called a "sanction war" with each other from anything such as banning McDonalds to even space cooperation (from Russian side).

 

[Blackstone]

Doubt it, right now the US and Russia are having what I called a "sanction war" with each other from anything such as banning McDonalds to even space cooperation (from Russian side).

US and Russia could walk and chew gum at the same time. Russia has thousands of km land border with China, and as long as the two are physically connected at the hip, Russia will always fear a dominant China. That's the primary motivator for Russia to look for partners (not necessarily allies) to balance China, and the US would form partnership of convenience with Russia to maintain her supremacy in Asia. The bottom line is generally speaking, Asian countries run to China for economic opportunity and to the US for security.

 

[solarz]

US and Russia could walk and chew gum at the same time. Russia has thousands of km land border with China, and as long as the two are physically connected at the hip, Russia will always fear a dominant China.

Russia's border with China lies in Siberia. This is akin to China being "joined to the hip" with Kazakhstan.

Unless Siberia becomes a lot more populated, which I don't see happening in the foreseeable future unless Climate Change screws the rest of the world, Russia and China will have different spheres of interest.

 

[Equation]

The bottom line is generally speaking, Asian countries run to China for economic opportunity and to the US for security.

ALL of Asian countries are just the ones that has land disputes with China and each other that look for the US for security?

 

[broadsword]

US and Russia could walk and chew gum at the same time. Russia has thousands of km land border with China, and as long as the two are physically connected at the hip, Russia will always fear a dominant China. That's the primary motivator for Russia to look for partners (not necessarily allies) to balance China, and the US would form partnership of convenience with Russia to maintain her supremacy in Asia. The bottom line is generally speaking, Asian countries run to China for economic opportunity and to the US for security.

US and Russia are not doing that at the moment. Russia may fear a dominant China, but how dominant can China be to render Russia's vast array of ballistic missiles and nuclear bombs ineffectual? They are two big elephants, not like Greece/Turkey. Unless any conflict is over a disputed border region, trying to usurp a huge chunk of either country's territory is going to unleash the huge firepower of their nuclear arsenal. The resulting conflagration will set China back decades. Why would China want that?