CHESS: US positioning there chess piece around China

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bd popeye

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Or perhaps show the Raptor to the japanese military.
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I'm sure the JSDF has seen the Raptor. Simply because the JSDF are frequently in the US for training.

Why the Raptor in the Pacific? Simple..N. Korea Why? Maybe to show Kim the US is serious about the situation in N. Korea. And of course China has a large and powerful air force. A simple show of force...

I know that in the future the USAF plans to base more Raptors permantely in Alaska later this year.

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I just think it seems like an odd place to first deploy your best fighter when you have an ongoing buildup in the Middle East and cinreasing dangers of regional war that will drag in the U.S.

Understandably there's North Korea and China, but that was the point the person who started this thread was trying to make. That this was part of an ongoing containment effort. The fact it isn't deployed in the Middle East first just helps to show where the focus is.
 
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Vlad Plasmius said:
Understandably there's North Korea and China, but that was the point the person who started this thread was trying to make. That this was part of an ongoing containment effort. The fact it isn't deployed in the Middle East first just helps to show where the focus is.
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IMHO, this individual is correct, along with exactly what Popeye said...the Asian deployment is a show of force for N. Korea and China...as simple as that, and for US allies to see that they are taking it seriously.

My guess is that it is believed within the US defense circles that Super Hornets and F-15s and F-15Es can handle anything the Iranians or Syrians put in the air.

If things get hot over Taiwan, the US would want Raptors supporting the F-15s against SU-30s and SU-27s from China. But that's just my guess.
 
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Chinese should look at the deployment as a positive(whilst in peacetime) because theres is the oppurtunity for China to gather intel through Electronic survillence, human intel and other sources.

Claims of the Chinese regarding their anti stealth tech can be put into practice against this stealthy threat.

1. Test the anti steath radar by placing it on special modified ships around korea to accertain the results. Or place facilaties in Noth Korea alongside the shipbased radar.

2. Gain Human intelligence i am certain the PRC has extensive intelligence activities directed against South Korea. PRC agents will attempt to obtain unofficial data regarding the preformance of the F22. :china:

Some suggestions i thought might generate discussion because the topic drifted towards Iran.
 
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It's offical. The USS Ronald Reagan (CVN-76) will deploy to the Pacific in a few days...The USN says CVN-76 is deploying to cover for CV-63 which is undergoing a minor re-fit in Yokosuka Japan.

The USS John C Stennis (CVN-74) recently deployed to the Pacific and will head to the Persian gulf region.

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Ronald Reagan Carrier Strike Group to Surge Deploy
Story Number: NNS070124-10
Release Date: 1/24/2007 9:41:00 PM

From USS Ronald Reagan Public Affairs

SAN DIEGO (NNS) -- USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76) Carrier Strike Group (CSG), with more than 5,000 sailors, will surge deploy Jan. 27, while USS Kitty Hawk (CV 63) undergoes scheduled maintenance in Yokosuka, Japan.

The Ronald Reagan CSG is deploying under the Navy's Fleet Response Plan (FRP) and will operate in the western Pacific in support of U.S. commitments in the region. FRP provides the U.S. with the ability to respond to any global commitment with flexible and sustainable forces and the ability to rapidly respond to a range of situations on short notice.

The Ronald Reagan CSG, commanded by Rear Adm. Charles W. Martoglio, is comprised of Commander, Carrier Strike Group 7 (CCG 7), Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 14, Destroyer Squadron (DESRON) 7, the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76), the guided-missile cruiser USS Lake Champlain (CG 57), the guided-missile destroyer USS Russell (DDG 59), and Explosive Ordnance Disposal Unit 11, Detachment 15.

"Our nation relies on flexible, credible forces forward deployed, ready for immediate employment to address the challenges we face today. Being able to project forces both rotationally and through surge readiness makes us more effective and responsive," Martoglio said.

The squadrons of CVW-14 include the Strike Fighter Squadrons (VFA) the Redcocks of VFA-22, the Fist of the Fleet of VFA-25, the Stingers of VFA-113, the Eagles of VFA-115, the Black Eagles of Airborne Early Warning Squadron (VAW) 113, the Cougars of Tactical Electronic Warfare Squadron (VAQ) 139, Providers of Carrier Logistics Support (VRC) 30 and the Black Knights of Helicopter Anti-Submarine Squadron (HS) 4.

The Ronald Reagan CSG returned from its maiden six-month deployment to the Persian Gulf and western Pacific Ocean in July. During its maiden deployment, the Ronald Reagan CSG supported Operations Iraqi Freedom and Enduring Freedom, conducted maritime security operations, and participated in joint and coalition exercises and operations with many countries and U.S. military services.

"We've maintained a high operational tempo since we returned from deployment, and our ability to surge now is a testament to the hard work of this crew in keeping the ship battle ready," said Capt. Terry B. Kraft, Ronald Reagan's commanding officer.

Ronald Reagan was commissioned in July 2003, making it the ninth Nimitz-class, nuclear-powered aircraft carrier. The ship is named for the 40th U.S. president; its motto, "Peace Through Strength," was a recurrent theme during the Reagan presidency
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If things get hot over Taiwan, the US would want Raptors supporting the F-15s against SU-30s and SU-37s from China. But that's just my guess.
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Do you mean Su-27s? You typed Su-37s.

If things get hot over Taiwan, I doubt anything we have could keep China from doing what they want. Unless we land our fighters in Taiwan, it's not going to do much good.

Of course, I'm not in charge so I can't do much about what I see to be poorly conceived deployments.
 
Jeff Head

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Vlad Plasmius said:
Do you mean Su-27s? You typed Su-37s.

If things get hot over Taiwan, I doubt anything we have could keep China from doing what they want. Unless we land our fighters in Taiwan, it's not going to do much good.

Of course, I'm not in charge so I can't do much about what I see to be poorly conceived deployments.
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Yes, I meant SU-27s and have fixed the post to indicate it, thanks for seeing that.

And, I would disagree about not being able to do anything. With strong air support off of Guam (using mid-air refueling) and with a couple of Carrier groups laying off to the east of the Island, air supremacy and control would easily be denied the PLAAF, which they must have in order to cross the straits. The ROCAF is also no slouch, and with that type of support Taiwan would be an extremely tough nut to crack.

The PRC's only real hope would be to effect the victory before US forces could arrive, and with these new fighters going to the western Pacific and with a second carrier being deployed to the Pacific, I believe the US is making moves to prevent that from happening.
 
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And, I would disagree about not being able to do anything. With strong air support off of Guam (using mid-air refueling) and with a couple of Carrier groups laying off to the east of the Island, air supremacy and control would easily be denied the PLAAF, which they must have in order to cross the straits. The ROCAF is also no slouch, and with that type of support Taiwan would be an extremely tough nut to crack.

The PRC's only real hope would be to effect the victory before US forces could arrive, and with these new fighters going to the western Pacific and with a second carrier being deployed to the Pacific, I believe the US is making moves to prevent that from happening.
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Well that's just it, the PLA now has the ability to strike hard, fast, and without warning on Taiwan. With the LACM, LS-6, and YJ-91 it's possible for the PLAAF to make a decisive strike inside Taiwan from the air and from a distance. In the air they Su-30MKKs with R-77s, J-10s with PL-12s, likely J-11s with PL-12s soon, and maybe FC-1s with PL-12s.

Include the 071, Zubrs they're looking to purchase and a substantial airlift capability. It is possible for China to launch a strike and have boots on the ground withing hours. It also makes it possible for China to strike with little warning and at a range where American intercept is impossible, even from F-22s.

In short, I think F-22s won't do much good.
 
Jeff Head

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Vlad Plasmius said:
It is possible for China to launch a strike and have boots on the ground withing hours..
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Sorry, we disagree. The ROC defense forces will hold the ground for several days (Navy, Air Force, etc.)...and with US assets in the region, close by, that will make it possible for the US to interevene long before the boots ever touch the ground.

Besides, with aerial refueling, US F-22s and F-15s can be over the island in short order in any case, and once there, they will make a difference in the air.

The PLAN and PLAAF have to get total air dominance and total sea dominance before they ever commit to amphibious operations, and that will not happen in a few hours. If the US has assets in the region and can respond in a few hours (and is willing to), I do not believe they PRC will be able to obtain it at all.
 
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Vlad Plasmius said:
I just think it seems like an odd place to first deploy your best fighter when you have an ongoing buildup in the Middle East and cinreasing dangers of regional war that will drag in the U.S.
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It isn't odd. Maybe the North Koreans think that with talks going on and the Iranians being awkward, the can get away with pushing the international community further, as they "can't" deal with both regimes at the same time.

The US is sending a message that they'll break out the riot gear if either Tehran or Pyongyang go too far.

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Sorry, we disagree. The ROC defense forces will hold the ground for several days (Navy, Air Force, etc.)...and with US assets in the region, close by, that will make it possible for the US to interevene long before the boots ever touch the ground.
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I agree. China could make a fast air/missile strike against Taiwan, but that isn't going to secure the island. It would need to assemble troops and naval assets, which would take time. Mobilising those assets prior to any attack would put US, Taiwanese and Japanese military units on full alert, giving them time to prepare a response. Launching air attacks first would equally give the game away, before ground troops could be put in a position to invade.

What's China going to do? It couldn't realistically hide a build-up of the magnitude that could safely secure Taiwan - the old men in Beijing wouldn't be so stupid to try to make a half-arsed, "covert" attempt to take the island (failure would mean the end for them). The only hope is that the US wouldn't want to fight China over Taiwan, but that would be a highly foolish position to take, unless the Taiwanese government was feeling suicidal and had clearly (i.e. in Washington's opinion) provoked China.
 
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