Chengdu next gen combat aircraft (?J-36) thread

[Biscuits]

Glad that the nickname I coined — CHAD, is catching on.

On a side note it is annoying that the same cope as when the J-20 came out are permeating the plane/military enthusiast circle. It is a striker/bomber, pure interceptor, or a demonstrator. Need I remind them that fighter aircraft size has been increasing as propulsion tech becomes more sophisticated? An F-15 weighs as much as a B-17, and an F-35 weighs almost as much as an F-15. It is only a matter of time before air based destroyers like the J-36 becomes reality.

Well the inferior side will always have their sometimes outlandish ideas on how to make up for the gap. Having followed PLA news since J-10 I know that.

Sure J-36 can work in strike or air superiority or interception role, but I'd rather describe it's role as airspace penetration. It can do all these missions but what makes it unique is that it can thrive even in very heavily defended enemy airspace. Much like the B-21, it is designed to be a weapon of invasion that can tear apart near peer enemies practicing area denial strategies (which for US' case is the likes of Russia and Iran, and for China's case, the US Pacific forces and Japan).

 

[asif iqbal]

Does anyone know type of engines are powering the J36?

WS10B ?

 

[siegecrossbow]

Well the inferior side will always have their sometimes outlandish ideas on how to make up for the gap. Having followed PLA news since J-10 I know that.

Sure J-36 can work in strike or air superiority or interception role, but I'd rather describe its role as airspace penetration. It can do all these missions but what makes it unique is that it can thrive even in very heavily defended enemy airspace. Much like the B-21, it is designed to be a weapon of invasion that can tear apart near peer enemies practicing area denial strategies (which for US' case is the likes of Russia and Iran, and for China's case, the US Pacific forces and Japan).

Yes. The large windows on both sides of the cheeks are most likely useful for hunting low RCS targets. The fact that they have two of them shows intent of design.

 

[Deino]

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Isn‘t this a CG??

 

[zlixOS]

Does anyone know type of engines are powering the J36?

WS10B ?

It's most likely to be either WS10B or WS15, not a Russian engine. However, nobody has any real confirmation on which of the two is it. Although personally, I think (and hope) it to be WS15, as it would be strange for the 6th gen fighter/strike/blahblahblah to only have WS10Bs while the 5th generation J-20S beside it has WS15s. And as all signs point to the CAC design being optimized for high Mach, it would be the only reasonable choice barring any developmental or reliability issues with the WS15 that we haven't heard about yet.

Edit: Sorry, I meant WS-10C, not 10B

 

[Xiongmao]

I don't remember if anyone asked but, what's with that camo pattern on the top surface only? Are we expecting there to be many other planes flying above the J-36 shooting down on it?

 

[Biscuits]

Does anyone know type of engines are powering the J36?

WS10B ?

The usual reliable sources say WS15. Yeah, it's iirc the first those have TVC, so initially I thought it was WS10C. But it's not.

Middle engine is not 100% known yet but conservatively speaking you can guess it's just another normal engine.

 

[sunnymaxi]

Does anyone know type of engines are powering the J36?

WS10B ?

WS-10C. confirmed by all sources.

there are chances. could be WS-15

It's most likely to be either WS10B or WS15, not a Russian engine. However, nobody has any real confirmation on which of the two is it. Although personally, I think (and hope) it to be WS15, as it would be strange for the 6th gen fighter/strike/blahblahblah to only have WS10Bs while the 5th generation J-20S beside it has WS15s. And as all signs point to the CAC design being optimized for high Mach, it would be the only reasonable choice barring any developmental or reliability issues with the WS15 that we haven't heard about yet.

its WS-10C or could be WS-15

Russian Engines become the part of history in PLAAF.. even J-35 used WS-13/WS-21.

 

[Overbom]

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Something that I have been thinking since the reveal

That brings up an advantage of supercruise and a limitation of the B-21. A supercruiser, operating at long range, can achieve much higher sortie rates than a subsonic missile carrier like the H-6. Conversely, if a relatively slow subsonic bomber is forced to use more distant bases because of the risk of air attacks, its sortie rate will be much lower and it will need more tanker support; and if the adversary uses large supercruisers with air-to-air weapons, the tankers themselves will be at risk even if they are more than 1,000 miles from adversary bases.

I really can't see how the B-21 can work as originally envisioned. Imo a high mach, high range, high endurance CHAD is the perfect counter for a subsonic bomber which has a "penetration" role

 

[zlixOS]

Isn‘t this a CG??

It's an AI upscale of this image: