Chengdu next gen combat aircraft (?J-36) thread

precisionriafu

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LOL. It even cites 114514's evidence here. He is a troll among Chinese military fans and is constantly creating some paper that can make Chinese jets look inferior. The last famous incident was when he blurred a screenshot of a PLA internal document about J16 chasing F35 to imply that J20 was chasing F35 and got six o'clock by F35(actually, it is J16). Ask anyone familiar with Chinese military watchers about who is ZWZ or 空军决胜者 on Weibo, and they will tell you.
 

00CuriousObserver

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LOL. It even cites 114514's evidence here. He is a troll among Chinese military fans and is constantly creating some paper that can make Chinese jets look inferior. The last famous incident was when he blurred a screenshot of a PLA internal document about J16 chasing F35 to imply that J20 was chasing F35 and got six o'clock by F35(actually, it is J16). Ask anyone familiar with Chinese military watchers about who is ZWZ or 空军决胜者 on Weibo, and they will tell you.

I didn't wanna bring this up but yeah, that was... not good. Though to be fair, the actual point about J-36's maneuverability is still valid.
Tyler likely didn’t delve too deeply and just looked at the Tweet's view count.

114514 has been suspected to be the alt of a certain Abrams user who's a 支黑 (Chinese hater but "hater" as in "Chinese people should die" kind of hate)
 

manqiangrexue

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Jokes aside, I too think that more powerful two engines would have made the design, stealth characteristics and the logistics better.
Reduce the size of the aircraft slightly, increase the thrust of the engines to 200 KN levels. Why prioritize supersonic characterstics over stealth characteristics and manufacturibility and economics of production? Every piece of hardware should be attritable in the modern battlefield.
Yeah, a single even more powerful 800kN fail-proof engine running on nuclear energy with unlimited endurance would have been even better. What's the point of imagining things?

Chengdu actually had to build a real aircraft that fits the equipment and weapons it needs powered by the engines available. Unlike what you did, they couldn't just make up sizes and engine powers based on wish and call it a "superior design." You have real life military aerospace engineers confused with Ace Combat content creators.
 

Gloire_bb

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I've asked Tyler on X what he bases his assertion that " the U.S. remains superior in most all technological aspects of tactical combat aviation" on.
When you overview history of deeply religious societies forced to do serious intellectual tasks, you can often find how "political officers" signed such papers as good for the faith and the nation. Paraphrasing the famous speech, not through speeches [and pleasing - changed part] the majority the great questions of the day will be decided.

You may find such resolutions by spanish inquisitors on 17th era technical documents, written by good catholics...or not really. They may have not been good catholics, but the question was important for Spain; Inquisitor understood that.
Every translated modern western book in Soviet Union had a short Marxist commentary. Again, cautionary warning was given, but message remained.

Treat it as such, IMHO. Author is trying to raise awareness, while preferably not alienating his main audience.
And his audience, as well as much of US military apparently, until very recently still thought that PLAAF are funny guys on hundreds of barely flying J-7s.
 

precisionriafu

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I didn't wanna bring this up but yeah, that was... not good. Though to be fair, the actual point about J-36's maneuverability is still valid.
Tyler likely didn’t delve too deeply and just looked at the Tweet's view count.

114514 has been suspected to be the alt of a certain Abrams user who's a 支黑 (Chinese hater but "hater" as in "Chinese people should die" kind of hate)
Well, I think the maneuverability might not be that bad since the wing loading is not that high, around 60 pounds. So the maneuverability might be better than an F4; I assume it performs well regarding turning and energy maneuverability
 

00CuriousObserver

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I'm inclined to believe his assertion is made in good faith, even if some here might disagree. He may have reasons for his perspective, even if they are flawed. I think it's more productive to approach his viewpoint with an open mind and a willingness to listen, rather than being overly combative—assuming he responds of course.

In general from a narrative perspective, up until the day of showdown, I think it's better for the US public to underestimate the PLA's capabilities than to overestimate. This is why I'm actually fine with a lot of EN misinfo on PLA we see around.

(On the other hand, the CN public should absolutely have 110% confidence in the PLA)
 

bsdnf

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Listening to Guancha's last year podcast again, their views on the so-called "another Sputnik moment" are consistent with my previous views, but from the perspective of the media:

When the Sputnik moment happened, politicians and mainstream media tried to make it seem like the end of the world, but the technocrats were not so panicked, saying that the technology gap was only like 12-24 months. The politicians and media show was just a way to cooperate with the technocrats to get enough funding from Congress.

This time is different. In contrast to the so-called mysterious drone incident, what we can see is that there are no old white politicians exaggerating foriegn threats, no military "expert" congressmen urging the government to increase investment. Politicians and mainstream media are silent because they really can't understand how bad it can be. Instead, technical media such as TWZ are panicking and spamming articles like crazy, Some former or current members of the U.S. military have publicly acknowledged or discussed it, like just a few days ago the US military's 412th test wing discussed CN 6gen in a public meeting to urge members to work hard (and hintted for more fundings). All of this shows that this is not a Sputnik moment that can be shrugged off.
 
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siegecrossbow

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Listening to Guancha's podcast last year again, their views on the so-called "another Sputnik moment" are consistent with my previous views, but from the perspective of the media:

When the Sputnik moment happened, politicians and mainstream media tried to make it seem like the end of the world, but the technocrats were not so panicked, saying that the technology gap was only like 12-24 months. The politicians and media show was just a way to cooperate with the technocrats to get enough funding from Congress.

This time is different. in contrast to the so-called mysterious drone incident, what we can see is that there are no old white politicians exaggerating foriegn threats, no military "expert" congressmen asking the government to increase investment. Politicians and mainstream media are silent because they really can't understand how bad things are. Instead, technical media such as TWZ are panicking and spamming articles like crazy, the US Air Force Chief Master Sergeant is kind of panicking, and just a few days ago the US military's 412th test wing discussed CN 6gen in a public meeting to urge members to work hard. All of this shows that this is not a Sputnik incident that can be shrugged off.
During the 50s and 60s America had the industry base to take on the challenge head on. After four years of Bidenomics I am no longer so sure.

It will go down in history as the GigaCHAD moment.
 
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