Chengdu next gen combat aircraft (?J-36) thread

[banjex]

Given enough time even third world countries like Japan and Europe

You need to calm tf down.

 

[ougoah]

Orca says that military secrecy is working since the experts completely missed the core design philosophy behind CHAD.

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hmmmmmmm is this comment an attempt at preserving military secrecy??

How could he know what "experts" are thinking? Expert opinion are not yet publicised ... experts meaning Pentagon, not youtube "experts" or SDF "experts".

Assumign all this at face value, it would therefore indicate the CHAD is less of a long range , high speed, possibly high altitude BVR focused fighter/A2A arsenal aircraft. Maybe CHAD is JH-xy?

A multirole JH-xy - supersonic air superiority and strike also possibly separate EW, C4ISR platform.

Which would make Shengad the air superiority focused 6th gen, with variable airframe to fit different flight profiles.

H-20 therefore is strategic stealth bomber and have very limited A2A role. Unlike B-21 is hinted to take.

 

[vincent]

hmmmmmmm is this comment an attempt at preserving military secrecy??

How could he know what "experts" are thinking? Expert opinion are not yet publicised ... experts meaning Pentagon, not youtube "experts" or SDF "experts".

Assumign all this at face value, it would therefore indicate the CHAD is less of a long range , high speed, possibly high altitude BVR focused fighter/A2A arsenal aircraft. Maybe CHAD is JH-xy?

A multirole JH-xy - supersonic air superiority and strike also possibly separate EW, C4ISR platform.

Which would make Shengad the air superiority focused 6th gen, with variable airframe to fit different flight profiles.

H-20 therefore is strategic stealth bomber and have very limited A2A role. Unlike B-21 is hinted to take.

Orca commented on a translated version of this:

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[talonn]

Some hobbyist already built RC model roughly based on J-36 design. It flew and maneuvered pretty well. Feel free to delete this if deemed inappropriate in this thread

 

[Clark Gap]

"The Electro-Optical Targeting System (EOTS) is the world’s first sensor that
combines forward-looking infrared (FLIR) and infrared search and track
(IRST) functionality."

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This is a major advancement in the sensor's casing enclosure/window that so far only the US achieved on an operational or planned jet. Electro-optical sensor and IRST operate at a different thermal frequencies so the enclosures are made of specific material tailored for that particular frenquency (the enclosure has to be transparent for the sensor). F-35's EOTS's enclosure is made to be transparent for wide range of frequency capable of accommodating both functions.

The f-22's AN/AAR-56 (not to be confused with AN/ALR-56) is a system comprised of six infrared sensors providing 360 degrees missile launch detection that detect and track enemy's missile's entire flight envelop from moment of launching and even after the rocket motor has burnt off by detecting "aerodynamic heat gain from approaching missiles".

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As a side consequence, the system can provide good resolution video 360 around aircraft but the software was not coded to support feeding that directly to the pilot. This might change once the f-22 receive its HMD and I suspect the apertures upgraded to latest f-35 resolution.

Anyway, to circle back to the J-36. I see on J-36 seemingly 2 IR/EO sensors facing the same direction on each side of the nose radome (2 on one side 2 on the other). This could be indicative that it still need 2 separate housings for each function (IRST and EOS). I don't think it's likely but it is a possibillity nonetheless. Time will tell.

Here's a more effective explanation regarding the EOTS on both sides of the aircraft nose. Have you heard of stereoscopic vision? It simulates human binocular vision by using two cameras to capture the same scene from different positions. By calculating the disparity of corresponding points in the images, the distance to the object can be derived.

 

[MC530]

We have discussed too many irrelevant aircraft, so let’s go back to the J36. I always thought this aircraft would do something maneuverable. Take TVC for example. If you enlarge the image, you can clearly see the three jagged structures of the tail jet port, plus 6 huge raised action cylinders. Such a huge transmission mechanism will only be needed if it is foreseen that it will be subject to huge pulling force. It is maneuvering at high speed that produces such a large g-force. Compared with two-piece flaps, which only need to move at low speed, there is no bulge in the transmission mechanism at all.

 

[siegecrossbow]

We have discussed too many irrelevant aircraft, so let’s go back to the J36. I always thought this aircraft would do something maneuverable. Take TVC for example. If you enlarge the image, you can clearly see the three jagged structures of the tail jet port, plus 6 huge raised action cylinders. Such a huge transmission mechanism will only be needed if it is foreseen that it will be subject to huge pulling force. It is maneuvering at high speed that produces such a large g-force. Compared with two-piece flaps, which only need to move at low speed, there is no bulge in the transmission mechanism at all.
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It sacrifices high AOA capabilities you see in knife fights for better supersonic maneuverability.

 

[latenlazy]

It sacrifices high AOA capabilities you see in knife fights for better supersonic maneuverability.

Position over pointing.

 

[Biscuits]

We have discussed too many irrelevant aircraft, so let’s go back to the J36. I always thought this aircraft would do something maneuverable. Take TVC for example. If you enlarge the image, you can clearly see the three jagged structures of the tail jet port, plus 6 huge raised action cylinders. Such a huge transmission mechanism will only be needed if it is foreseen that it will be subject to huge pulling force. It is maneuvering at high speed that produces such a large g-force. Compared with two-piece flaps, which only need to move at low speed, there is no bulge in the transmission mechanism at all.
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Imho here you see it has TVC clearly, since the nozzles are quite literally pointing at different directions.

It's just a question of how exactly it was achieved with so minimal movable surfaces.