The question to ask is what India got out from the West for being hostile to China. How much manufacturing capacity or tech transfers did India get from the West?
BRICS & New World Order Thread
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They have gotten nothing from China also. India doesn’t really have to do anything if it doesn’t want to. Why do they need to serve china’s interests?
India is actively against Chinese investment there. They did not want BRI money for example.
If they get nothing from China it is because they wanted it that way.
Not talking about China's interests.
- India could have bought tons of cheap solar panels and wind turbines from China to increase its power generation capacities.
- India could have bought hydro power generated from Chinese built dams in Nepal.
- India could have let Chinese companies to build ports.
- India could have let Chinese companies to invest in India to build all kinds of goods.
- India could have lower tariffs on Chinese components to build up final assembly plants.
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Nowhere did my previous post mention China, nor have I ever made statements along the line that China's POV is misunderstood. I merely quoted Indian think tankies article on why India doesn't believe in BRICS and doesn't want to play along. If you read the article India is the one obsessed about China and decides to sabotage BRICS in order to counter China. China doesn't play such petty games.
Do you see regular articles from Chinese, Russian, South African or even Brazilian think tankies which are openly hostile to BRICS? Like these authors aren't overseas Indians in western/Singaporean institutions, they are Indian domestic think tankies paid by the Indian government. Is it wrong to categorize Indians as snakes or sellouts when the whole point of BRICS is to construct a new world order and they are undermining the purpose of BRICS?
It's not just China that thinks India isn't playing along with BRICS, many others share the same feeling.
Pakistan seeks Russia's support for BRICS bid
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That's kinda my point, he appropriated the word global south/third world to mean something entirely else. Instead of an economical development classification, Mao took it to mean "China+its sphere and potential recruits".
In his definition, as you say, China, even if it had a higher gdp per capita than US, would still be third world. EU, if they were anti US, would be global south.
But why do they need to play along with BRICS? It's China and Russia's goal to construct a new world order with BRICS. India clearly has its own agenda. It needs to push its own agenda.
Why would they want to do that? India is the most protectionist country out there. That's their thing. They want to build their own domestic companies. Why would they want China Inc to take over their entire country? This makes no sense to me.
Yes so from the side of China, Russia and most of the global south, India's actions can be viewed as being snakes and sellouts. I don't know how else can you characterize India stopping BRICS expansion just so India can have more power with respect to China in BRICS.
No one on this forum is trying to change India's mind or anything, we're just posting news about BRICS and different perspectives on BRICS. If we can criticize American think tankies, why can't we criticize Indian think tankies?
Why should the US give up world hegemony lying down? They should do everything possible to sabotage the multipolar world including BRICS. These are valid points from the US perspective, doesn't mean we can't point it out or criticize it.
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How can India be snakes and sellouts if it never signed up to your agenda? Even Brazil hasn't signed up to this agenda. At this point, basically China and Russia are trying to win over other countries to their cause. And frankly calling them snakes and sellouts isn't helpful.
BRICS with India is always a hard proposition because China is the obvious leader of this bloc but India doesn't want to take the back seat. And it also has obvious problems with China because it's in China's interests to be a major power in South Asia and India wants to achieve hegemony in South Asia.
Because they are incapable to do it on their own? How's building ports and buying solar panels equal to taking over their country? China bought plenty of Western industrial products and continue to do so today at a lessor degree. Has China been taken over?