BRICS & New World Order Thread

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luminary said:
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Does South Africa have particularly close ties with Ethiopia?

I thought it was super obvious Ethiopia will be a pro-China element in BRICS. It's practically China's East African BRI poster child (despite their war). China built the African Union HQ in Ethiopia and even tried to mediate the Tigray war at some point.
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I would just ignore that guy.

China definitely needs to continue strengthening its relationship with Indonesia. It is one of the countries where its approval rating is really high. So I don't think you really need to worry about it. Aside from Philippines, the rest of ASEAN is becoming closer to China, including Vietnam.

What will get China & Indonesia + rest of ASEAN continually closer is more local currency trading (which Indonesia also pushes for) and tech sharing and more investment. All things China would be foolish to not continue on a mass scale.

As for the latter part, I'm sure China also wanted Ethiopia to get in, but always good for Ethiopia to have another major backer.
 
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Some random after-thoughts on BRICS+

Argentina, Egypt and Ethiopia are in various degrees of economic crises and need urgent help. Saudi and UAE are money. BRICS NDB is in the middle. The new members are so complimentary to each other as well as to the BRICS 5, It almost feels funny.

I am pretty sure China will go out of its way to help resolve those pressing issues. That in itself would become a giant advertising billboard to the developing world. I suspect, sooner rather than later, France and/or UK would want in.
 
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These are the kind of things you really want to get out of BRICS if you are China.
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There are some things that really get me going, okay, lying here, just little bit.

From what I remember, Italy had good relations with Iran. A quick search of the internet yielded this article.

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I though Italy and Iran were good with each other, going back decades.

So now there is this airport deal, part of the BRI thingy, between Iran and China, and because of the BRI thingy, the Italians want nothing to do with it, if we believe what we read in the news.

The Italians probably made a couple of phone calls. Problem was no one returned their phone calls.

:D:p
 
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From HW Before HR on BRICS

沙特一加入，沙特的阿美石油就被调查什么危害人权了，同样的石油，为什么美国的就是高尚的？同样的，后续美国人估计会联合G7打击这个组织。

参考消息网8月27日报道 据日本《朝日新闻》8月25日报道，8月24日，金砖国家同意邀请6个国家加入。为何在20多个申请国之中选中这6个国家？通过观察新成员名单可以看出批准方和申请方的考虑。

报道说，海湾产油国中的沙特阿拉伯和阿联酋同时获邀加入。对于印度等金砖国家而言，与资源国家强化关系本身就能带来益处，更不用说这两个国家依靠石油拥有雄厚的经济实力。

沙特在安全领域原与美国关系深厚，现在两国关系不佳，沙特希望探索一条独立自主的外交路线。沙特身为阿拉伯国家中具有举足轻重地位的一方，在俄乌冲突一事上，通过产油国组织与俄罗斯建立关系，还邀请乌克兰总统泽连斯基参加在沙特召开的和平峰会，作为外交协调者彰显了存在感。

阿联酋虽然经济规模无法与沙特相提并论，但其人均国内生产总值（GDP）在日本之上，财政余力充足。
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The oil countries are obvious. And it's great they are looking for BRICS
报道又说，埃塞俄比亚人口超过1.2亿，是经济高速增长的撒哈拉以南非洲的大国。非盟总部也位于埃塞俄比亚。当地有大量中国“一带一路”倡议下的大型项目，与中国关系紧密。

埃及人口超过1.1亿，是阿拉伯世界中人口最多的国家。美苏冷战时期担任埃及总统的纳赛尔曾主导不结盟运动。
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Seems to me Egypt & Ethiopia are also a play for the future for the growth of their economy and both close to China.
被称作“全球南方”的新兴发展中国家中，许多深受粮食能源价格高企、美元等外币荒的困扰，埃及也是其中之一，因此对于金砖国家探索的能够取代西方机构金融援助以及不依赖美元的结算体系心怀期待。

报道称，阿根廷也抱有同样想法。阿根廷的美元储备已严重不足，难以偿还国际货币基金组织的贷款。另外，巴西总统卢拉希望提升拉丁美洲的影响力，他与阿根廷总统费尔南德斯是盟友。（编译/李子越）
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don't think anything new here. this is pretty standard stuff we already discussed
 
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luminary said:
Venezuela obvious next best BRICS+ candidate from LAC. Not only is it the 8th member of OPEC, it's also as anti-US as Russia and is being actively sanctioned.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1696471699879756118


Don't know about Serbia.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1696505556226167032
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There's not a lot of BRICS+ expansion potential in Europe, so Serbia should be a candidate.

On the other hand, the Europeans would absolutely have a fit if BRICS was to expand into Europe. So I think Serbia would need to be defended beyond just by her own military and intelligence agencies.
 
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There's not a lot of BRICS+ expansion potential in Europe, so Serbia should be a candidate.

On the other hand, the Europeans would absolutely have a fit if BRICS was to expand into Europe. So I think Serbia would need to be defended beyond just by her own military and intelligence agencies.
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Not until the Ukraine War is settled with the Russian liberating Odessa and reaching Transnistria. If these happen then they can able to assist the Serbian both militarily and economically.
 
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