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darth sidious said:

stupid western bais again

how many targets with SAM have the harpoons actualy sunk small patrol boats dont count !!!!!!

dont have any? then keep your mouth SHUT

how much do you reely know about chinese missile !!!! a c-803 willl blow your pooor rusting ship out of the water ages before your PATHETIC harpoon can even fire

how many jap ship can handle the SM-2 ???? only the kongos can !!!

learn to tell the differance bewten a sea sparrow and a SM-2 before your start posting trash again

asrocs are not ssm !!!!!!

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Wow. Why do you resort to personal attacks darth sidious? C-803 are largely unproven. That's a fact. So good luck getting any through Kongo's defenses. They are not even deployed yet. Not even sinodefence lists them on their missiles area for naval missiles. BTW, Do you know how many targets Harpoons have destroyed?

Take a look at this page and look at the bottom. That is what a Harpoon is capable of.


Bet you can't find a similar picture for a C-803 result.

And by the way, asrocs aren't SSM's???? No kidding.

sidious, calm down. you might get a warning.
sea dog, the harpoon has never sunk a large foreign vessel, only us test ships. the yj-8x seiries is a highly proven and developed missle, with lineage dating back to the 70s. it too, has had varients modified for ships, planes, land launchers, and even submarines. it bears som outward resemblance to the harpoon. its current max speed is twice that of the harpoons, and its range is around 200 km, 70 km higher than the harpoons 130. its also smaller, allowing a ship to carry twice as many yj-8x's as harpoons.

the yjs warhead is only 165g, opposed to the harpoons 225, but the increased speed should give it more kinetic energy. the missle has already recived export orders from iran.

darth sidious said:

More baised opion from Sea Dog!!!!!!

your pathetic harpoon is ALSO largely unproven(even by your baised standers) did it sink enemy ships with some sort of airdefence? NO!!

the C-803 is also unproven BUt is faster and has longer range

YET you think the harpoon is some how better SORRY but is time to face the REALITY your harpoon is NOT SUPERIOR

just beacause is amercan dosent mean its superior to chinese missile the C-80X also dates back to the 70s what makes you think that the chinese cant improve their missile!!!!!

your bashing of chinese missile is quite lame!!!!

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I'm not bashing Chinese missiles, just stating the facts. And yes, the Harpoons have sunk enemy vessels in the Gulf of Sidra in the 1980's. And it's also a fact that Harpoon has been a proven system for a long time. And Boeing ran it through the acceptance tests showing the above capabilities, not me. And it's old news really. In my opinion, Harpoon is a better missile system because at least it's deployed fleetwide and worldwide for that matter. It has been used in combat. And alot of it's capabilities are rather transparent, unlike C-803 which you can barely find a morsel of information on. That says alot.

darth sidious said:

LOL more trash from sea dog!!!!!!!!!

acording to your logic the mre info there is on a weapon the better and the more there is the better

then why dont the world use mig-21 insted of F-16 there is alot and is deployed world wide

I repeat Small iranian partol boat with no airdefence what so ever does not count if you you can count in all the tanker the c-801 sink

find me one proper warship the harpoon sink!!!!

Cant find any???? then learn to keep yoour mouth shut!!!!!

time to face the REALITY

being used for a long time dont conpensate for short range and slow speed

tell me which harpooon has 1.5 mach speed and 210km range

CANT find one??? TOO BAD !!!! stop posting garbage then!!!!!

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No, the Iranian was destroyed by standard missile. Take a look at the link I provided above. The USN sunk three Libyan naval vessels in the Gulf of Sidra during the 80's. And I can't understand your ramblings regarding then Mig-21 and F-16 because both are used widely throughout the world and both have alot of open source info out there. So what's your point? The Harpoon is a subsonic missile system. Speed is one facet to ASuW. And range is bogus. Faster missiles, when spoofed have a harder time re-adjusting their flight profile and re-aquiring if they achieve some sort of "burn through" out of the ECM environment. The range aspects is one reason why the USN decided to remove TASM from service. It is commonly known among naval types (I'm guessing you're not one, and never have been one) that most ship-to-ship warfare would be fought from ranges less than 100Km due to targeting and accuracy issues. BTW, this puts most ships in range of Standard and Harpoon salvos. Most western navies have thus decided not to pursue range and have opted for better guidance, accuracy, and electronic warfare methods. And BTW, it's all moot anyway because 1 aircraft carrier in USN naval doctrine executes the ASuW mission from well over 1000 Km away. Your C-803 carrying platform wouldn't even see it coming.

Like I said, give me the subsonic Harpoon system in conjunction with western electronic warfare equipment and surveillance methods anyday.

No reason to get angry though. I'm not exactly sitting here insulting your momma. So why are you appearing to have a stroke over this. If you can't take military analysis for what it's worth, maybe you need a different hobby.

darth sidious said:

another pathetic statment from sea dog!!!!1:nana:

libyan vessal heh? tell me do they have any credible form of airdefence !!!!

Dont have any keep your mouth shut !!!!!!

why is range not improtent ???? your pathetic ship will be destoryed ages beferoe yu vcan lunched the harpoon

standar is a airdefence missile not ssm !!!!! LEARN to read before posting!!!!


we are talking about missile not ecm make yp your mind on what your going to say before posting!!!!!!!


being used for 30 years and old is no excuse for shrot range and slow speed

where is your 210km and 1.5 mach harpoon

dont have it !!!! tooo bad!!!!!

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Where is my 1.5 mach Harpoon with 210 Km???? Don't need it. And ECM is a part of the anti-ship weapons system. I don't think you read anyones else's posts because I can just repeat what I said to answer your questions. And you still won't get it. But I'll explain why range of missile is not a very big factor in ship-to-ship warfare only if you get rid of your nationalism. It is helpful only to a certain degree. But with range comes reaction time for the ship that's been launched at. These ship platforms are not sitting still in the water, and in higher density environments, you probably will just hit the wrong target. Very likely in the South China Sea, East China Sea, Luzon Straits, or the Bashi Channel. To put it mildly, you just wasted some ASuW weapons. USN can put up a pretty challenging ECM environment, so the farther you launch, the less likely for success. So Range can be an advantage, but with an opponent that can put up a tough ECM environment, you are likely to waste your missiles. So it's an advantage, but in the same vein, it can be a liability. Speed acts the same with range. Plus a faster supersonic missile covers more distance forward, so if indeed the missile "burns through", re-aquiring is much more difficult as the target is now miles from where it started. And a faster missile eats up more energy and uses up more distance turning to re-adjust. Remember that from physics?

That's why so many naval types think of range as bogus. And if that's the case range in the Harpoon is not needed, but under 100Km, SM-2's can be used in the anti-ship role. They are just as big as a Harpoon and have a decent enough sized warhead for penetration. I understand, you didn't know this about the standard missile family, now you do. And like I said, I'd much rather have a subsonic missile like Harpoon with all it offers than a missile that virtually has no information anywhere out there on it.

find me one proper warship the harpoon sink!!!!

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The Iranian Saam class frigate, Sahand, was sunk by a couple of Harpoons launched from A-6 Intruders in Operation Praying Mantis.

stupid western bais again

how many targets with SAM have the harpoons actualy sunk small patrol boats dont count !!!!!!

dont have any? then keep your mouth SHUT

how much do you reely know about chinese missile !!!! a c-803 willl blow your pooor rusting ship out of the water ages before your PATHETIC harpoon can even fire

how many jap ship can handle the SM-2 ???? only the kongos can !!!

learn to tell the differance bewten a sea sparrow and a SM-2 before your start posting trash again

asrocs are not ssm !!!!!!
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How many have the C-803 sunk? Also the Kongo provides a Aegies umberlla. Those other ships are protected.

the yjs warhead is only 165g, opposed to the harpoons 225, but the increased speed should give it more kinetic energy. the missle has already recived export orders from iran.

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Which missile has the increased speed? Because a few weeks back I remember people telling me the 052C is fitted with a C-805 with a 500 km Mach 2/3 speed.

your bashing of chinese missile is quite lame!!!!

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Your bashing the Harpoon is also lame. But think of this. Does PLAN have a missile that could break the Aegies defence? The Moskit is the only missile that comes to mind.
The Soviets planned to defeat Aegies umberrella with a mass salvo attack of supersonic missiles. I'm talking Flankers,Backfires etc...with Moskits and Granits. None of the Chinese missiles aside from the Moskit are capable of SMART salvo attack that could defeat the Aegies system.
Basically the Chinese missiles right now would be sending one by one making them friendly targets.

Anymore personal or "country" bashing, I'm closing this...
Cool down darth sidious

A little midtime update, Dart Sidious is now being issued a warning...and if he or anyone else continues it, i will issue some more...got it?

Sea Dog said:

I'm not bashing Chinese missiles, just stating the facts. And yes, the Harpoons have sunk enemy vessels in the Gulf of Sidra in the 1980's. And it's also a fact that Harpoon has been a proven system for a long time. And Boeing ran it through the acceptance tests showing the above capabilities, not me. And it's old news really. In my opinion, Harpoon is a better missile system because at least it's deployed fleetwide and worldwide for that matter. It has been used in combat. And alot of it's capabilities are rather transparent, unlike C-803 which you can barely find a morsel of information on. That says alot.

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omg! some libian patrol ships!! and the standard has sunk some iranian corvettes!!! this makes the commander of a sovermenny simply quake in his boots!!

these ships didnt even have manpads. dont compare them with a ddg