Best asian navy
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MIGleader
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uhhh...you cant really control an area with only a mediocre anti ship power. anemy ships will engage you, leaving your ships dependent on air cover. but air cover might be distracted by your enemies planes. in the end, your enemies faster na longer range anti ship missles will sink your fleet.
IMO if we look at the Asian navies from different types of operation point of view, they're stronger/weaker depending on the type of mission. For power projection with carrier fleet, India is well ahead. For home/territorial water defense and ASW, Japan is better.
One problem that the PLAN faces is the PRC has multiple areas with security concerns at sea. i.e. Korea, Japan, Taiwan, South China sea, where the potential adversary has fairly decent ships. The cost of maintaining and upgrading fleets to patrol these areas is high. In comparison, India is a better position vs. inferior Pakistani navy.
If we look at projected upcoming navy purchases from 2005-2012, PLAN is buying/building more ships than everyone else, but the ships have to be spread over a wide area:
China
The projected PLAN acquisition is approx. 1 destroyer, 2 subs, and 2 frigates per year. These numbers are based on recent acquisitions, but will not necessarily reflect the future:
~12 submarines, including a SSBN and assorted SSN & SSK's
~6 destroyers (mix Soveremenny purchase & domestic Air-Defense Ship)
~10 frigates
~20 LST's
+Aircraft carrier?
India
(Jatt can prolly verify these projections better than me)
~6 submarines
~2 aircraft carriers
~2-3 Destroyers
~3-4 Frigates
South Korea
~3 KSS-II submarines
~1 KDX-III Destroyer
~4 KDX-II Destroyer
~4 LPH
Taiwan
As most of you are aware, Taiwan's military purchases tend to stir a lot of controversy. The following are "best case" scenario for the ROCN, but realistically they'd prolly get less:
~8 SSK's
~4 Kidd Destroyers
~4 Arleign Burke Destroyers
~4 Spruance Class DDG's (to replace 8x Knox ASW Frigates)
~10-14 Kuang Hua V Corvettes/Light Frigates
+1 Cheng Kung (OH Perry) Class Frigate (currently building)
One problem that the PLAN faces is the PRC has multiple areas with security concerns at sea. i.e. Korea, Japan, Taiwan, South China sea, where the potential adversary has fairly decent ships. The cost of maintaining and upgrading fleets to patrol these areas is high. In comparison, India is a better position vs. inferior Pakistani navy.
If we look at projected upcoming navy purchases from 2005-2012, PLAN is buying/building more ships than everyone else, but the ships have to be spread over a wide area:
China
The projected PLAN acquisition is approx. 1 destroyer, 2 subs, and 2 frigates per year. These numbers are based on recent acquisitions, but will not necessarily reflect the future:
~12 submarines, including a SSBN and assorted SSN & SSK's
~6 destroyers (mix Soveremenny purchase & domestic Air-Defense Ship)
~10 frigates
~20 LST's
+Aircraft carrier?
India
(Jatt can prolly verify these projections better than me)
~6 submarines
~2 aircraft carriers
~2-3 Destroyers
~3-4 Frigates
South Korea
~3 KSS-II submarines
~1 KDX-III Destroyer
~4 KDX-II Destroyer
~4 LPH
Taiwan
As most of you are aware, Taiwan's military purchases tend to stir a lot of controversy. The following are "best case" scenario for the ROCN, but realistically they'd prolly get less:
~8 SSK's
~4 Kidd Destroyers
~4 Arleign Burke Destroyers
~4 Spruance Class DDG's (to replace 8x Knox ASW Frigates)
~10-14 Kuang Hua V Corvettes/Light Frigates
+1 Cheng Kung (OH Perry) Class Frigate (currently building)
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jatt said:
Yes, Kongo DDG's have more and better automation than Arleigh Burkes, and their main guns are an indigenous one with a better rate of fire than Arleigh Burkes. Command and Control, missile control, data-handling, electronic warfare systems still give the Arleigh Burkes a smaller edge though. Oh, some have speculated that Kongo's hull sonar is better than what's on Arleigh Burkes also...almost forgot about that. But this last tid-bit is a guess so far.
darth sidious
Banned Idiot
the pathetic harpoon it carry is not conparble to the new chinese missile
also the core of the jap navy still has only point defence missile and asw rockets not all ageis
the ageis on the kongo is a downgraded verson of the american original
also the core of the jap navy still has only point defence missile and asw rockets not all ageis
the ageis on the kongo is a downgraded verson of the american original
darth sidious said:
The Japanese navy has SM-2 that function in every way that the USN's do. Not only point defense. But yes, they have a superb point defense also. And if you think Harpoon is pathetic, you don't know much about the Harpoon system. The Harpoon is a highly capable anti-ship missile that has multi-faceted abilities. Harpoons have a greater than 70 Nm range listed by various sources, among them Janes and USNI. That's greater than. Which means, you have no idea to it's actual range. And it's range is determined by it's launch and mode of operations. Harpoon can be carried and launched by Air, Surface, and Submarine platforms. Harpoon can also be fitted to cannisters for land launch if need be.
Harpoon has various modes of operations. It can sea-skim or cruise for longer distances at high and medium altitudes. It can detonate under a keel of a ship, or it can be programmed to hit various sections of a ship. The discriminator can identify what the masts are from the stern of the ship. To further complicate missile defenses, Harpoon can pop-up at the attack phase to slam right down on a ship near 90 degrees. So you can fire a few for sea-skim to low detonation, and a few to pop-up attack. That is very difficult to defend against. Harpoon can also be fitted with various warheads. And don't forget that the USN and USAF can really complicate enemy missile defense against Harpoons because they can fire tons of them. The reason why the US has so many of them is because they are easy to maintain and low cost.
So far, China's missile capabilities are highly speculative. The programs seem to be coming along, but still unproven in many ways. Harpoons have been there, been upgraded, and are still very formidable. There's no doubt Harpoon should be phased out for a newer design, but right now, it still meets it's purposes extremely well.
darth sidious
Banned Idiot
Sea Dog said:
stupid western bais again
how many targets with SAM have the harpoons actualy sunk small patrol boats dont count !!!!!!
dont have any? then keep your mouth SHUT
how much do you reely know about chinese missile !!!! a c-803 willl blow your pooor rusting ship out of the water ages before your PATHETIC harpoon can even fire
how many jap ship can handle the SM-2 ???? only the kongos can !!!
learn to tell the differance bewten a sea sparrow and a SM-2 before your start posting trash again
asrocs are not ssm !!!!!!