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Here is a picture of the USS Hayler getting hit by 5 inch shells.

MIGleader said:

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dont make me laugh. a stadard cannot even put a scratch on a ddg or ffg (figuratively speaking).

a ddg has sams and ciws to protect itself from a standard. the ddg is also armored.

transparent tests? most chinese test report the kill rate, tonnage, area of explosion, and details. its just not published or realesad on the internet most of the time. the yj-83 has sunk 10000 ton ships before in testing.

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A standard SAM can definately score a mission kill on a Sov.
With all that exposed weaponry (Hint: the oversized Sunburn launchers), SM-2 can caused devastating fires that can detonate the volatile fuel mixture of the sunburns. Result: abandon ship.

US navy vessels store volatile materials below the water line or have Kevlar armor surrounding them. (VLS launchers, etc).

If you look at the navy ship built these days, they're like tin cans without armor. While a SM-2 missile is much less powerful than a real AShM, the advantage to the carrier, such as the Japanese Kongo class, is that they can carry up to 90 of them in the VLS cels, versus most ships only carry 4-8 AShM's.

So, instead of asking "can a SM-2 missile mission-kill XYZ ship", think "what if a salvo SM-2's were fired on this ship".

As for the Harpoon vs. YJ-83, they'll both mission-kill most ships today if hit. Look at what the Exocet did to HMS Sheffield, HMS Glamorgan, and USS Stark. If anyone thinks PLAN missiles are backward, I'd point out that the latest YJ-8x missiles are most likely more advanced than the Exocets used in Falklands, and those 1979 Exocets sure worked as advertised.

Over the last 20 years, air defense systems have gotten a lot better, versus anti-ship missiles mostly only improved in range and accuracy. I think in the future, when stealth technology is applied to anti-ship missiles, it'd change things. No matter how good your air defense missiles are, they're useless if you cannot detect the incoming missile.

the sov is armorred!!! all of its "exposed" sensors help all the more to early detection of the standard. after detection, the sov will fire its missles and guns to shoot it down. a hit on the sov will probably cause some damage in the area hit, no more.

Why do you think the Rif system has a secondary purpose to attack surface targets? It has a 200kg warhead. Do you know how much damage it will do when it hits the deck of another warship?
The ESSM will mission kill the Sovernmey if she gets too close. I imagine the target would have to be within horizon view. Missiles hitting the deck will definitly could get a mission kill.

the sov has many exposed jammers to attack the missle. then it can ifre grizzlies at it. if the missle makes it through, there are still four ak-630s or two kashtans.

the standard is only capable of sinking/mission killing patrol ship/corvette size warships. as i remember, the standard has NEVER mission killed a sovremenny in combat before.

There hasn't been a chance to kill a Sovernmey for over a decade. But i'll tell you this. The ESSM is very difficulte to jam being it is a SAM! Jammers is one thing the Americans are decades ahead of the Russians IMHO. Also launch 20 ESSM at a Sovernmey much like a Salvo attack and you'll definitly see the Sovernmey's airdefence crumble. MiG Leader, just give up.
A mission kill can be achieved by ESSM launched from AB/Kongo on a Sovernmey assuming it survives the Moskit salvo.

quite untrue. no opurtunity? exactly. so why would you say its possible IF IT HAS NEVER BEEN DONE?

no need for the insults and threats, which includes the one from the japan pacifist thread.

russia is not so behind in jammers. its just a little behind on concealing them. as i remember, india was pleased by the jammers and sensors on the talwars

home on jam is not a amazing feature for the standard, as many missles have that too. the sovremennies were built almsot as a response to the cvbg threatg. why would it not be equipped with the weapons needed to protect itself?

to my knowlegde moskits and their kinetic energy would sink almost anyship. i think only a aircraft carrier could survive intact and maybe operational if hit by a salvo of moskits. also a sovremenny is mainly a anti surface combatant. even if the kongo class ship has ageis the moskit does a 'S' manuover before it hits its target making it hard to hit. the moskit improved has a range of 200km. thats way ocer the horizon. and do you there will be a one on one battle between a knogo and a sovremenny???

MIGleader said:

quite untrue. no opurtunity? exactly. so why would you say its possible IF IT HAS NEVER BEEN DONE?

no need for the insults and threats, which includes the one from the japan pacifist thread.

russia is not so behind in jammers. its just a little behind on concealing them. as i remember, india was pleased by the jammers and sensors on the talwars

home on jam is not a amazing feature for the standard, as many missles have that too. the sovremennies were built almsot as a response to the cvbg threatg. why would it not be equipped with the weapons needed to protect itself?

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Mig, the SAM defence of the Sov's are nowhere near that of the Kongos



Two Shtil surface-to-air missile systems are installed, each on the raised deck behind the two-barrelled 130mm guns. Shtil is the export name of the SA-N-7, NATO reporting name Gadfly. The system uses the ship's three dimensional circular scan radar for target tracking. Up to three missiles can be aimed simultaneously. The range is up to 25km against targets with speeds up to 830m/s. The ship carries 48 Shtil missiles.


A salvo of 8 Harpoons will overwhelm her defenses.