AWACS for future chinese carrier

MIGleader

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the mkk2 is a better mini awacs tha any j-88. china does not need a mini awacs. it needs a big, powerful awacs, a y-8 varient may do.
 

Gollevainen

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weirdest AWACS confircution that i've heard is based on Su-33KUBs airframe, it tought to be similar array as in Eyrie...but this was only wild suggestion, not any official proposal....
 

Sczepan

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Gollevainen said:
IOr what the hell...how about his one? THe Planned AWACS version of it called An-71 Madcap
... and the Y-7 could be nice carrier-borne awacs, but both of them should need catapult to take off by a carrier (I know, someone her plead for rocket assisted take off, but I think this is to dangerous by small carrier-deck - and to complicate ....)
 

sumdud

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J-8? You can't use that thing on a carrier. Its engines are still too weak, and its gears are too flimsy. And who will do the processing of the data? This is AWACS, not AEW, you need communication. How can you even do that in the su-33KUB? (Well, maybe you can give it the Prowler config and a tail radar, but the Tail radar won't do you much.)

I still go with the An-71 as the best choice.
 

Lavi

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The An-71 probably is the best choice of aircraft already built and flown, but I doubt that China will be interested in putting money on develping a carrierborne variant out of it. The most probable way forward for the PLAN is to build a new design, based on an old airframe, perhaps in cooperation with Russia.
 

jakub

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Well i've heard that those RATO things are not quite popular onboard carriers...something to do whit the highly flamamble rocket fuels...mayby Popeye could tell more...

I once had this crazy tough that if Y-7/hawkeye size plane fitted whit similar type of engine aragment like in An-72 Coaler to provide STOL capapility?

[qimg]http://www.scramble.nl/mil/2/russia/gfx/photos/orbat-cau-an72.jpg[/qimg]

Or what the hell...how about his one? THe Planned AWACS version of it called An-71 Madcap
[qimg]http://www.spyflight.co.uk/images/jpgs/an-72/an-71_03.jpg[/qimg]
[qimg]http://www.aviation.ru/An/An-71.jpg[/qimg]

Jak-44 was designed to launch from Kuznetsov, so no catapult, no rocket burster, Madcap was thought too big for carrier ops.
 

Infra_Man99

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I believe if the Varyag carries any AWAC capability, it will either be a helo based platform, or perhaps some kind of VTOL platform.

The US would do well, and has studied, creating an AWAC version of the V-22 Opsprey. They would work well on the Amphibious ships in conjunction with the F-35 JSF.

I do not believe any aircraft as big as the one pictured by popeye will be suitable for the ski jump at all. Too heavy and not enough speed, particularly without very strong catapaults.

Just my opinion.

The Osprey needs major improvements and major changes if it is to be used as a naval AWACS.

The Osprey is still an unstable design for windy weather. It is still being worked on to land and take off in windy weather. This is bad for sea warfare.

The Osprey needs rotating wings instead of folding wings to efficiently fit on US aircraft carriers. The rotating wing will get in the way of the AWACS huge radar, unless the Osprey has a major redesign.

However, if the US Navy can do this to the Osprey or to a AWACS with Osprey capabilities, then this naval AWACS would have awesome naval capabilities.
 
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Gollevainen

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Jak-44 was designed to launch from Kuznetsov, so no catapult, no rocket burster, Madcap was thought too big for carrier ops.

Nope. Perhaps the orginal design of the Kuznetsov when it still had catabults instead of Ski-jumps, a Yak-44 (or the plane that envolved to such) could have been fielded. But when the catabults were taken from the design, it ment that the AEW ability dropped considerably. Yak-44 was later adopted to serve onboard Ulyanovsk which featured catabults in the angled deck just for this reason.

Anyway, its not wise to dig threads that have been burried for three years...
 

bd popeye

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The Osprey needs major improvements and major changes if it is to be used as a naval AWACS.

The Osprey is still an unstable design for windy weather. It is still being worked on to land and take off in windy weather. This is bad for sea warfare.

The Osprey needs rotating wings instead of folding wings to efficiently fit on US aircraft carriers. The rotating wing will get in the way of the AWACS huge radar, unless the Osprey has a major redesign.

However, if the US Navy can do this to the Osprey or to a AWACS with Osprey capabilities, then this naval AWACS would have awesome naval capabilities.

Ospreys have been deployed to Iraq. The Osprey has been certified to operate off of LHA/LHDs for over three years now. If you have ever been on a flight deck ..trust me it is windy.

The V-22 folds up nicely thank you. Slightly smaller than a folded CH-53.

Jeff Head has a link to an AEW version of the Osprey.

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Lights on the flight deck of the multipurpose amphibious assault ship USS Wasp (LHD 1) illuminate a MV-22 Osprey attached to Marine Medium Tilt-rotor Squadron (VMM) 263 as it transits the Straits of Tiran.
 
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