AWACS for future chinese carrier

Soyuz

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This is the best picture i could find it's just the corner of a model, so maybe this project isn't as advanced as i thought! Yes the bottom one is definately a Yak-44 it even has the old soviet navy flag on the side. (Is that Wen Jiabao on the right of the picture??)
 

Jeff Head

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Soyuz said:
Also would it be possible to launch such an aircraft from Varyag's ski jump or would this require the installation of steam catapults?

I believe if the Varyag carries any AWAC capability, it will either be a helo based platform, or perhaps some kind of VTOL platform.

The US would do well, and has studied, creating an AWAC version of the V-22 Opsprey. They would work well on the Amphibious ships in conjunction with the F-35 JSF.

I do not believe any aircraft as big as the one pictured by popeye will be suitable for the ski jump at all. Too heavy and not enough speed, particularly without very strong catapaults.

Just my opinion.
 

Jeff Head

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That aircraft looks far too big and bulky for the Varyag and its ski jump popeye. Anyhow, as I understand it, that Yak (Russian) aircraft is just a mock-up...but am still waiting for further verification of that.

I believe if the Varyag does get any AWAC capability, it will either be a helo based platform, or perhaps some kind of VTOL platform.

As I indicated to another poster, US would do well, and has studied, creating an AWAC version of the V-22 Opsprey. They would work well on the Amphibious ships in conjunction with the F-35 JSF.

Just my opinion.

By the way, I would be interested in your input/comments on this thread about my recent trip over to Bremerton.
 

Sczepan

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that aircraft can't be launched from a ski raneed , it needs catapult for carrier take off - so it could only be used, if carriers with ski rump (like the Varjag) additional have catapults in front of the angeld deck
 

IDonT

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MIGleader said:
maybe the propellors can work like rotors and the plan will be able to take off vertically.


You are talking about the V-22 OPSREY. I think the US marines are putting it to service next year.

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walter

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Sczepan said:
that aircraft can't be launched from a ski raneed , it needs catapult for carrier take off - so it could only be used, if carriers with ski rump (like the Varjag) additional have catapults in front of the angeld deck

I said it once, I will say it again--there is another option to catapult assisted launches for an aircraft of this type--rocket assisted take off. Easy to implement, a no brainer really.

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Jeff Head

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That's off the ground. Show me a pic of a C-130 takiong off from a carrier.

While a STOL aircraft might take off from a carrier, in order to carry out its mission, particularly AWACS, it would need considerable weight for the equipment and the radar.

I believe a VTOL aircraft like an Osprey, or a helo will be the answer short of the PLAN developing a full catapault system for something like their own version of the Hawkeye.
 

Jeff Head

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GREAT pics! Thanks popeye.

That's one of the great things about the internet...a wealth of knowledge available in an instant.

Clearly, the C-130 tests back then resulted in it not being considered for operational duty from the CV or CVN. Perhaps in an emergency or very special circumstances...but to normally carry such an aircraft in an operational mode would extremely limit other operations.

I still believe that the Varyag AWAC will most likley be helo at first, perhaps followed later by a VTOL developoment.

Until they have a full deck carrier, with cats, I do not believe they will field anything on a carrier like the Hawkeye.

Of course...this is just my opinion.
 
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