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So, how many ships are you talking about here?Land-based missiles will run out first
There's no doubt on that question
So, how many ships are you talking about here?
Most of the land-based missile units have 1-2 reloads, as per a CSIS estimate
The cheaper CJ-10 LACMs had 3 reloads.
And these missile units generally have a lot more range than shipborne, and therefore can be used in many more scenarios
Ships usually have many more reloads available for their VLS, because their missiles are a lot cheaper.
Plus because ship missiles have less range, they tend to be used less often
We don't have definitive numbers for the Chinese Navy, but there are estimates for the USN
Come on! Why are you talking about the CJ-10s? This is not even remotely relevant.Most of the land-based missile units have 1-2 reloads, as per a CSIS estimate
The cheaper CJ-10 LACMs had 3 reloads.
And these missile units generally have a lot more range than shipborne, and therefore can be used in many more scenarios
Ships usually have many more reloads available for their VLS, because their missiles are a lot cheaper.
Plus because ship missiles have less range, they tend to be used less often
We don't have definitive numbers for the Chinese Navy, but there are estimates for the USN
Come on! Why are you talking about the CJ-10s? This is not even remotely relevant.
You're questioning my statement on why land-based missiles will run out first
I'm pointing out that land-based CJ-10s launchers only have 3 reloads, which is at the upper end of the reloads available for land-based Chinese launchers
Air defence against missiles is on the losing end of the attack/defence cost spectrum, but granted, there are many situations where you can't avoid this. Offensive LACMs and ASMs are where you want to go.
Note that Type-052Ds and Type-055s can also launch CJ-10 class land-attack missiles and ASMs, so it's a valid reference to compare how many reloads are available
If China is seriously preparing for it, the production number should not be an issue. It takes much longer to build, or even just to repair, ships.
But China is only semi-seriously preparing for a conflict with the USA.
If China was in a serious arms race, then we would see Chinese military spending at least double
It's currently 1.7% of GDP, as per SIPRI
A doubling would increase this to 3.4%, but which is still less than the USA or Russia
Is that the question we were talking about? I thought the question is about PLA using their ASBMs to force USN out of the 2nd Island Chain, isn't it?You're questioning my statement on why land-based missiles will run out first
I'm pointing out that land-based CJ-10s launchers only have 3 reloads, which is at the upper end of the reloads available for land-based Chinese launchers
Air defence against missiles is on the losing end of the attack/defence cost spectrum, but granted, there are many situations where you can't avoid this. Offensive LACMs and ASMs are where you want to go.
Note that Type-052Ds and Type-055s can also launch CJ-10 class land-attack missiles and ASMs, so it's a valid reference to compare how many reloads are available
We will never know...But China is only semi-seriously preparing for a conflict with the USA.
If China was in a serious arms race, then we would see Chinese military spending at least double
It's currently 1.7% of GDP, as per SIPRI
A doubling would increase this to 3.4%, but which is still less than the USA or Russia
Is that the question we were talking about? I thought the question is about PLA using their ASBMs to force USN out of the 2nd Island Chain, isn't it?
ASBMs are very useful, but they are not a wonder weapon
You still need the rest of the kill chain and the US fleet is being reconfigured to conduct standoff attacks at a distance of up to 3000km
If the DF-21D or the DF-26 can actually reach such a range, lol what are the US gonna do then?ASBMs are very useful, but they are not a wonder weapon
You still need the rest of the kill chain and the US fleet is being reconfigured to conduct standoff attacks at a distance of up to 3000km