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[tphuang]

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nice report here on the plans for a huge data center cluster in Gansu. Expecting 200B RMB investment by 2030 w/ 20.8EFLOPS of computation eventually and 800k main frames. They already signed up many major players to build data centers and 78 customers

 

[tphuang]

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Baidu is working with Tianjin to setup a large model AI data center for Erniebot (文心一言) and 3rd party large model training

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Even Kunming will have a 400 PFLOPS data center that's currently at 42PFLOPS in phase 1

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：将持续增加算力资源的规模，联通云全国共覆盖200多个城市，年底规模将实现倍增。

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：目前中国电信拥有700多个数据中心和3000多个边缘DC。截至2022年底天翼云算力规模达到3.8Eflops，预计2023年底将达到6.2Eflops，同比增长63.16%。

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：截至2023年2月，中国移动算力规模超8.0EFLOPS，累计投产云服务器超76万台，边缘节点超千个，形成全国20ms、省内5ms左右、地市1ms的三级时延圈。为加快推动算力网络资源建设，中国移动也已启动2023年中国移动算力网络现网试点。

与此同时，运营商也相继宣布推出算力套餐。其中，

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的算力套餐中融合了基础算力、算力连接、算法模型、算力安全；

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也将推出可灵活配置、自由组合的全新“能力+算力”套餐，未来客户可根据自己算力需要，选择不同档位的CPU、GPU、缓存、存储空间等算力资源

According to this, China Telecom has over 700 data centers, 300+ edge DC and 3.8 EFlops of computation by end of 2022 and will have 6.2 EFlops by end of 2023.
China mobile had 8.0 EFLOPS by feb 2023 with this 760k cloud server machines.

Shanghai data center projets for 2023 approved, over 55 thousand racks

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[Abominable]

Look at the West's criticism of TikTok pointing to the Chinese original version, Douyin. Douyin, they charge, is educational while TikTok is a reflection of Western culture. They charge it's a conspiracy by China to destroy Western society. No, TikTok is a refection of Western values just like US artificial intelligence is a refection of American alt-right incel male rage that wants to see the world burn. It's a Rorschach test of summing up how they see the world.

The West is upset that China wants its own AI when they expect China to embrace theirs. China ain't forcing its AI onto them yet they're upset that an alternate AI existing when it should be only theirs like God. There can be only one true AI. And like intelligence they hate technology. Technology exists to make life easier which also means independence from them. And of course the hypocrisy of is all it they can have AI and technology and independence but you can't because they're the only ones that are responsible enough to have them...

Edit: Removing offensive anti-Christian comment.

Western nations typically fear AI because most of their jobs are service sector and are most likely at risk. In free market capitalism there is no safety net for people who's jobs become redundant. You either retrain (at your own expense) or face poverty.

 

[DuckDuckMoose]

Western nations typically fear AI because most of their jobs are service sector and are most likely at risk. In free market capitalism there is no safety net for people who's jobs become redundant. You either retrain (at your own expense) or face poverty.

People will have a hard time adjusting. At least in America, most working age people don't possess the aptitude or the willing attitude to convert to a computer science related job. A lot of Americans didn't even take Algebra 1 until their junior or senior year in high school. You raise this prospect with people it's either called fear mongering or only possible 50 years later.

 

[BlackWindMnt]

People will have a hard time adjusting. At least in America, most working age people don't possess the aptitude or the willing attitude to convert to a computer science related job. A lot of Americans didn't even take Algebra 1 until their junior or senior year in high school. You raise this prospect with people it's either called fear mongering or only possible 50 years later.

Do you remember the campaign where journalist and writers told miners just learn to code? Then some later a lot of US news papers had to fire a lot journalist and writers and the miners had their revenge by telling those same writers and journalist what's the problem "just learn to code" some writers and journalist had a freaking melt down on social media.

 

[DuckDuckMoose]

Do you remember the campaign where journalist and writers told miners just learn to code? Then some later a lot of US news papers had to fire a lot journalist and writers and the miners had their revenge by telling those same writers and journalist what's the problem "just learn to code" some writers and journalist had a freaking melt down on social media.

They mentioned turning Appalachia to the Silicon Valley of the Eastern US. Very cringe to look back on now.

 

[tphuang]

Huawei advertising that Ascend-910+Mindspore is better than A100. Also that Ascend-910+PyTorch is just a little worse. This is using Atlas 900 A2 cluster. Pretty impressive stuff. Now, since LlaMA was created by Meta at end of last year to start of this year, I would say these comparisons are most likely done in the past couple of months.

The point is that Ascend-910 is already good enough for large scale training and that Ascend-920 should be a real competitor to H100.

I absolutely do not know when this was taken

 

[BoraTas]

They mentioned turning Appalachia to the Silicon Valley of the Eastern US. Very cringe to look back on now.

Those new silicon valley projects always fail. We had a few of those here in Europe too. All of them became places American and existing European technology firms open up offices to pay less taxes. They are full of call centers (very high-tech!!!) We never got tech clusters with high start-up activity. The only place that actually became like Silicon Valley is Shenzen.

BTW, recent start-up fad is mostly a scam and I believe the Silicon Valley and California are way beyond their golden ages.

 

[Maikeru]

Those new silicon valley projects always fail. We had a few of those here in Europe too. All of them became places American and existing European technology firms open up offices to pay less taxes. They are full of call centers (very high-tech!!!) We never got tech clusters with high start-up activity. The only place that actually became like Silicon Valley is Shenzen.

BTW, recent start-up fad is mostly a scam and I believe the Silicon Valley and California are way beyond their golden ages.

Subsidy farming happens in all sorts of industries. Companies come to a place because of subsidies and tax benefits and as soon as these end they shut up shop and move on.

 

[tphuang]

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Baidu and Erniebot.
Baidu says 150k companies applied to test w/ Erniebot
Since internal testing started, it has made 4 major technology upgrades improving inference performance by 10x. Has 300+ ecosystem partner in 400+ specific scenarios.

Application under testing include:
smart shopping guide
smart logistics
asset assistant
creative marketing assistance